Roy Keane

[Sweeper]

This is just written for the clicks. It's chaotic because yes, it was unplanned. They took a principled decision that 6-0 in the third tier = and automatic sack. Good.

But how many new managers are in place within ten days? Can't be more than 50%. So it's hyperbolic clickbait.

We aren't other clubs, and we aren't in other clubs' positions. We are in our own position - and our position is urgent. Our position can't wait a fortnight.

This last week has been an utter shambles. The way they've handled it has stunk of incompetence. Not surprising of course, given that we decided to hand control of the club's entire football operation to a bloke who's CV amounted to running a Championship club's youth teams.

 

[Deleted member 31305]

Listen, i only post what i've been told mate. Obviously if it was discreet, then i wouldn't post. Last 20 mins, "don't know what the hold up is". Like i've said all along, posting what i've been told . It's defo not off Keane's behalf, all this.

Can only assume the hold up is that Speakman is a complete f***ing chancer

 

[Father Jack Hackett]

Listen, i only post what i've been told mate. Obviously if it was discreet, then i wouldn't post. Last 20 mins, "don't know what the hold up is". Like i've said all along, posting what i've been told . It's defo not off Keane's behalf, all this.

Its not? Then they need to get their fingers out

 

[rubberface]

From the outside, the only reason not to appoint Keane is if you think someone better is available and interested. Unless they've spoken to someone like Allardyce I really don't see the point in fannying around.

Well, like i say it's been agreed for ages. Hands up, why the delay.

 

[Nelson!]

I think fans who want rid of a manager who delivers promotion and comparative stability this year in the Championship are clearly suffering from mag-like delusion to the point that we should ignore then.

Who the fuck do they think they are? We should be so lucky to get that here. Would be better than our last six managers.

What a ridiculous thing to say. Given the position he relegated them from the last time he was in the Championship they have every right to worry he would do it again, they watch the team every week and can see the problems persisting. He’s a bluffer and I can’t believe so many can’t work that out.

 

[naughtynose]

Speakman

 

[homeless kid]

Fair enough they want to take time to find the man that they think can steer us to promotion.

But if we drop 6 points (donny and tomorrow) in the time they take to do this then it becomes a moot point anyway.

 

[rubberface]

Can only assume the hold up is that Speakman is a complete f***ing chancer

Yep.

 

[wackyjacky]

On a slightly separate topic, why hasn't Phil Jevons been involved in the interim roles? Isn't he a first-team coach? Maybe not a first-choice but after the shambles on Satda it wouldn't be the worst idea to let him have some input.

 

[West_Winger]

This is just written for the clicks. It's chaotic because yes, it was unplanned. They took a principled decision that 6-0 in the third tier = and automatic sack. Good.

But how many new managers are in place within ten days? Can't be more than 50%. So it's hyperbolic clickbait.

Nope. Most new managers are in place less than a week after the previous one is sacked.

Watford - 5 days before Ranieri then the same day Ranieri was sacked.

West Brom - 48 hours

Norwich - 8 days

Everton - 12 days (but Ferguson already had experience leading the first team)

Spurs - 24 hours

Villa - 5 days

 

[The Good Sir]

Getting beyond a joke this. This is directly on Speakman if we don't go up. Left the defence in an absolutely pathetic state. Sacking LJ with no one in place to take over. Taking over a week to bring someone in, costing us another humilating defeat in the process.

 

[Billy Batts]

Fair enough they want to take time to find the man that they think can steer us to promotion.

But if we drop 6 points (donny and tomorrow) in the time they take to do this then it becomes a moot point anyway.

Honestly thought they were arrogant enough to think the game against Doncaster was a given no matter who was in charge and it's bit them on the arse.

 

[living in hope]

The thing that’s pissing me off is we obviously haven’t had anybody lined up so Johnson should of took charge of yesterday’s game. I doubt we would have been beat off the

Well, like i say it's been agreed for ages. Hands up, why the delay.

Perhaps the club is using the same solicitor I used to buy my flat F*88*n* Useless

 

[andysafc24]

Id give Keane an 18 month contract with an agreement that we can part ways after 6 months if Keane is unhappy or agrees to leave (i.e its not working out)

It is easy to say, but what if Keane replied… I’m not uprooting my family for 18 months or less.

 

[TDalt]

I'd disagree. I think a manager will improve a club, which is why they'll get noticed, and then invariably move on to a club further up the ladder to progress their career.

Not always the case as there seems to be a merry-go-round of the same managers always getting jobs but I don't agree with your reasoning.

90% of jobs don’t have enough resource to fit the expectations though, so even a good manager will inevitability improve the clubs league position but then maybe go backwards. People get sold, players go off the boil, they get too old, get stale at a club, a new signing doesn’t work etc. I’m no big fan of Neil but he did a decent job at Preston, considering their infrastructure, income and budget. The big question for me isn’t between Keane, Neil, Lennon, McCann etc, who are all poor, poor choices, it’s why these people are even considered in the first place. KLD and Speakman have lost me on this one, whoever the manager is. They’re as bad as Short and all the rest.

 

[Nelson!]

Can only assume the hold up is that Speakman is a complete f***ing chancer

If that’s the case Keano will have him sussed in five minutes. Possibly why he is cool on the idea of giving him the job.

 

[ebb]

Decent article from Wilson on the incompetence of the club's hierarchy over the last week.

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"Heading into Saturday’s home game with Doncaster Rovers without a manager in place was a bad decision. Journeying to Cheltenham Town tomorrow night with a temporary managerial structure still in place rather than a new boss would be utterly unforgiveable.

What on earth are Kyril Louis-Dreyfus and Kristjaan Speakman doing? Did they really jettison Johnson without having decided what to do next? And having watched their side underperform spectacularly at the weekend, do they really think things are going to be any better at Cheltenham?"

absolutely bang on that

 

[The Situation]

Another thing to note is that all of these managers we are interviewing/interested in, are currently out of work.

It should make the process a lot quicker/easier.

It really is beyond belief to sack a manager on Sunday, and not to have an (out of work replacement) sorted more than 7 days later, especially with a game tomorrow and Saturday upcoming.

As I said, I like a lot of what they've done to-date, but this is really amateur hour.

 

[Mercia Blackcat]

But who's to say the philosophy is right? They had a manager playing to the philosophy and it didn't work so the manager took the can, but was the recruitment right for the philosophy? Is the philosophy right? How long do we persist with it before deciding, actually it's wrong we need to change it?
We should have had an U-23's manager in charge who could have stepped in but that's been vacant for 3 months meaning we had to give the interim role to a development coach. I'm not sure things are running in the background as well as they might, especially considering the recruitment has left us very lightweight in defence, attack but with an abundance of wingers and short on experience throughout.

I'm not sure about this Football Philosophy and was hardly surprised to see Keane's reaction on the Gary Neville walk. It's hardly Sun Tzu for fuck's sake. Although you need strategies and tactics Brian Clough said it's players that loose you games, not tactics and let's face with most goals we can see some defensive failing. As Jimmy Greaves said, "The best team always wins because they scored the most goals". Just get Keane in and let's get on with it. If we want a footballing philosopher there's always Joey Barton.

 

[Dobblemackem]

Nope. Most new managers are in place less than a week after the previous one is sacked.

Watford - 5 days before Ranieri then the same day Ranieri was sacked.

West Brom - 48 hours

Norwich - 8 days

Everton - 12 days (but Ferguson already had experience leading the first team)

Spurs - 24 hours

Villa - 5 days

But, but, but none of these teams have world class data, and are process driven, nor do they have someone as good as speakman making sure everything is done correctly.

f***ing league one man, fuck sake!!!