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Jermain Defoe (no longer a rumour)


LJ May see him as a threat to his job also?

For record I’m not a fan of LJ, he’s not the answer here , but if the manager doesn’t fancy a player then you don’t sign him, otherwise it’s a ready made excuse for failure
 
Fletch said:
LJ May see him as a threat to his job also?

For record I’m not a fan of LJ, he’s not the answer here , but if the manager doesn’t fancy a player then you don’t sign him, otherwise it’s a ready made excuse for failure
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See your point. But surely the performances of the players already In the team are a much bigger / more immediate threat to LJ?
 
gatopreto said:
I want Defoe back. Could do a similar job to what Phillips did at palace and Leicester.

But I'm worried about Stewart getting injured and think the priority should be someone who is in the condition to start games and be a physical presence up front should Stewart get injured. We all know O Brien isn't good enough. Such a shame what happened to Broadhead.
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That's the problem though, whoever we get probably knows he is coming to sit on the bench as he is unlikely to oust the divisions top scorer. Therefore we are looking at a loan of young and possibly untried Premier league player which is always a risk or a proven striker from our division or league 2. I hope they have something up their sleeve, ideally both would be great, but only see that happening if we could shift O' Brien.
 
The Cabbage said:
Yeah probably. I’m just wholly against nostalgia in all forms. It’s everywhere these days. People looking backwards and wishing for something that doesn’t exist or wasn’t ever as good as you remember. I do it myself and it annoys the hell out of me. There’s a good argument to say that nostalgia is the most damaging force in the western world these days! But even just in football it’s rarely a satisfying thing. Only have to look at MUFC to see what can happen.

With specific reference to Defoe, remove his history here. Undoubtedly he’s a player who is better than this level at his peak - even while on the wane. But he’s a 39 year old who he played 9 minutes of action this season. Is he the one who we are putting a bet on if we only have one slot for a striker in this season? If he had never played for this club would this reaction be justified? And if it wouldn’t, why is it then justified just because he played for us a few years ago?
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Exactly my thoughts. If we signed a potential regular striker with goals in him for it Stewart is injured maybe yes I’d take him, but not instead. And if this happened I think Defoe would potentially lose his place to Broadhead and that’s not what either party want. We do need more strikers though.
 
Dobblemackem said:
Totally agree with you again, to question what we are trying to do is silly at this point. If you look at my posting history you’ll see Just how much I hated Donald and Charlie, and how much I didn’t want them pretty much from the start. I couldn’t be more with you on that, and what they did to this club still makes me shudder.

However I don’t think Johnson has been giving a bad hand at all. He had a good squad last season, but that winning formula seemed to fall into his lap. He only started playing Sanderson because he had to, and as soon as players started coming back, he fucked about, and it cost us dearly.

Same this season, he’s got an excellent squad, one that in my opinion should be promoted. Yet at nearly full strength he thought he was pep again, kept chopping and changing and trying silly things, which is a trend in his career, and again we went on an awful run.

Injuries again meant he didn’t really have much choice and he had to play a settled side, we again went on a good run. But the worrying thing is it looks like a bad one is on the way.

He also seems to be far too worried about what other teams are going to do. When he comes up against a good manager opposite, he focuses on there team, and nobody can honestly say he hasn’t been out thought a few times despite him thinking he’s the cleverest man in football.

My point is, as much as I don’t disagree we can be optimistic for the future, I’m massively pessimistic about Johnson, and I think fans who question this are correct to do so. Hope and pray he proves me wrong but so far he really hasn’t and everything we’ve been told about him has been bang on.
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Quite a good summation of the VC one
 
SebastienELLISbexter said:
I'd say because he played for us we know his qualities much more specifically than, for example, Ipswich fans. Now if Ipswich fans weren't keen then ok I'd get that, they'd only be mentioning the negatives that you mentioned. But, we know specific qualities, such as his intelligence, his movement, his professionalism and dedication, his finishing. All of these attributes would be beneficial in this league. And that's the big thing for me, we are talking about league one. And actually he's scored some really nice goals for Rangers, so we know he's still got it. You can call it nostalgia, but I think it's more than that. Call it educated nostalgia. Now, having said all that, I'd be surprised if he's the only striker we're interested in, and if we can bring in someone up front as exciting as the signing of Roberts then that would help massively to calm everyone down.
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Yeah I guess - but again none of that info wouldn’t be unavailable to find if other clubs. Interestingly I looked back at his previous season too. In 20/21 Defoe played about as much football as Will Grigg did for us. He did score 7 times mind:lol:

Definitely agree on the last line. A good signing would calm people right down. Nobody wants us to have to rely on AOB - including the club I’d expect.
 
Dobblemackem said:
Totally agree with you again, to question what we are trying to do is silly at this point. If you look at my posting history you’ll see Just how much I hated Donald and Charlie, and how much I didn’t want them pretty much from the start. I couldn’t be more with you on that, and what they did to this club still makes me shudder.

However I don’t think Johnson has been giving a bad hand at all. He had a good squad last season, but that winning formula seemed to fall into his lap. He only started playing Sanderson because he had to, and as soon as players started coming back, he fucked about, and it cost us dearly.

Same this season, he’s got an excellent squad, one that in my opinion should be promoted. Yet at nearly full strength he thought he was pep again, kept chopping and changing and trying silly things, which is a trend in his career, and again we went on an awful run.

Injuries again meant he didn’t really have much choice and he had to play a settled side, we again went on a good run. But the worrying thing is it looks like a bad one is on the way.

He also seems to be far too worried about what other teams are going to do. When he comes up against a good manager opposite, he focuses on there team, and nobody can honestly say he hasn’t been out thought a few times despite him thinking he’s the cleverest man in football.

My point is, as much as I don’t disagree we can be optimistic for the future, I’m massively pessimistic about Johnson, and I think fans who question this are correct to do so. Hope and pray he proves me wrong but so far he really hasn’t and everything we’ve been told about him has been bang on.
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If everyone took your have my cake and eat it perspective LJs position would be untenable.
Simple question would you sack him now ?

Then on balance tell us what he has done well. Including being one of 4 teams in the mix for promotion 2 of which have championship squads and the other has thrown big funds at buying their way out.

Our promotion teams have historically been like Wigan, teams cobbled together to get you out of the division. Once out however there is no football strategy, no way of playing which is embedded in the squad, result inevitably is failure.

That you find contrived fault and can’t see that young inexperienced players are inconsistent, dip in and out of form and you need to shuffle your pack to accommodate it, let alone when injuries prevail is to typical of fans quick to criticise without looking at the big picture.

Fans want instant success, Sunderland has been buying short term results for years now. Just show some patience in the growth of the players, team and club and we will all be rewarded.

In the meantime if we think everything the manager does we are going to agree with we are daft... but you have to take a stance either support him or don’t, but no sitting in the fence
 
I stand by what I've said previously in that the stumbling block is probably a potential coaching role. If that can be ironed out in the negotiations then it's still a possibility. Surely Johnson would want him on the pitch. But if the reluctance is handing out a coaching role to someone unproven in that area then I'd say that's fair enough from Johnson.
 
Sweeper said:
If you’re a mathematician by trade, would you care to finally back up your claim that my “maths is shocking”, by extrapolating 6 losses in 27 games out to 10.22 losses in 46?

With regards to “useless sets of stats”, it’s worth pointing out that I didn’t introduce a proportion of losses to games played as the be able and end all of judging success/failure. That was in fact…erm….you. I simply replied to you,


Let’s see at 5pm, if we don’t win. I reckon this place will be Exhibit A, yet again, in respect of all the usual suspects.
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10.22 isn’t 10 losses last I checked. Losses as a stand-alone means very little. Only lost 5 all season under Ross - guaranteed promotion by your logic

Calendar PPG man. Keep clutching those straws. 😂😂😂😂
 
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