Put a flat earthier into space

[Nukehasslefan]

Water level is not an answer to a yes/no question, but you are not disagreeing, so that seems to confirm it. Your one fact, your only fact that proves there is a earth, moon, planets and space conspiracy is that water sits perfectly flat.

My one fact prove Earth is not a spinning globe.
the rest of the story that pertains to that spinning globe must then be brought into question and seen for the utter nonsense it turns out to be, by those that can view it under no bias.
It's not easy but it can be done if a person chooses to.

Basically no reliable scientific method to investigate the curve of something as massive as the earth. That puts your level of scientific sophistication at around 2,500 BC - 4,500 years out of date.

And yet Eratosthenes had his mate plant a stick in the ground whilst he looked down a well and thought, " hmmm, the sun is directly overhead, I wonder what'll happen if I go 500 stades and see the shadow. Then I'll know the Earth should be a big globe and I will likely be only a small bit out when the big scientists of the future manage to calculate it but then still use me as a ridicule to anyone who dares question it."
Something like that, maybe.....eh?

The rest of it, the dome, the inhospitable zones, crystal projectors, secondary reflections, clockwork pressure waves, and then the rewriting of science (sound and light are the same ) to fudge this all together - that is just laughably pathetic. It is funny but actually really sad that you and other conspiracy theorists are in this state.

I find it equally funny...and sad that I once believed all the trollop about a spinning globe in a space vacuum, so have no qualms about your mindset.
Why would you do anything other than attempt ridicule? I'm the nutter offering my thoughts against the plated up model you devour. I accept what's thrown at me and if I didn't I wouldn't stand fast and argue points.

But the issue still stands.
Amid all of it, none of you have offered any facts.

 

[Nobby]

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And new simpler method i might give it a go tonight

Don't be silly, how do you know that you are not just photographing the reflection on the dome?

Unless you personally have been to the moon and trailed a bit of string to measure the distance I refuse to accept your so called measurements.

 

[errant]

threads like this remind me that the nhs mental health services need much more funding from the tories...

 

[legend7]

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That's basically what's being asked of me.
So now we're on the same page in regards to that we can now see why the debate rumbles on based entirely on you arguing it by nothing more than appeals to authority and theories...not physical facts.

The difference being, you said you had already done many experiments that led you to your thoughts, such as a crystal power generator in the centre of the earth and rocket fuel not burning in a vaccum, yet you mysteriously can't share any info on them

 

[monkeytassle]

nukehasslefan said:
Ok, now a counter point.
Can any of you provide a scale map of your world without the aid of those who schooled the current one into you?

My guess is, you can't, so I'd say question 1 is absolutely pointless.

Question 2?


Ok, maintenant un contre-point.
L'un de vous peut-il fournir une carte à l'échelle de votre monde sans l'aide de ceux qui vous ont formé la carte actuelle ?

Je suppose que vous ne pouvez pas, donc je dirais que la question 1 est absolument inutile.

Question 2?

They bring them down to where?
Do you mean they send the satellites 20,000 miles into space and geostationary orbit them over Earth and never need to adjust them or repair them?
Also, what is the reason for this 20,000 mile distance?

They bring them out of orbit and let gravity crash them into the ocean. There is a space cradlft graveyard in the south Pacific ocean which is the furthest point from any land mass.

The earth spins. To keep them over that singular point on earth they must be at a particular altitude to keep pace with the spinning earth as its to all intents a sphere.

It's 36,000km. I looked it up

 

[payne]

My one fact prove Earth is not a spinning globe.
the rest of the story that pertains to that spinning globe must then be brought into question and seen for the utter nonsense it turns out to be, by those that can view it under no bias.
It's not easy but it can be done if a person chooses to.

And yet Eratosthenes had his mate plant a stick in the ground whilst he looked down a well and thought, " hmmm, the sun is directly overhead, I wonder what'll happen if I go 500 stades and see the shadow. Then I'll know the Earth should be a big globe and I will likely be only a small bit out when the big scientists of the future manage to calculate it but then still use me as a ridicule to anyone who dares question it."
Something like that, maybe.....eh?

I find it equally funny...and sad that I once believed all the trollop about a spinning globe in a space vacuum, so have no qualms about your mindset.
Why would you do anything other than attempt ridicule? I'm the nutter offering my thoughts against the plated up model you devour. I accept what's thrown at me and if I didn't I wouldn't stand fast and argue points.

But the issue still stands.
Amid all of it, none of you have offered any facts.

consistency

 

[monkeytassle]

They bring them out of orbit and let gravity crash them into the ocean. There is a space cradlft graveyard in the south Pacific ocean which is the furthest point from any land mass.

The earth spins. To keep them over that singular point on earth they must be at a particular altitude to keep pace with the spinning earth as its to all intents a sphere.

It's 36,000km. I looked it up

It's called point nemo Fwiw

 

[BigPete]

It's 36,000km. I looked it up

But you haven't been there and seen it for yourself.

So it does not exist using his logic. All made up information by the man in charge..

 

[DaveH]

My one fact prove Earth is not a spinning globe.
the rest of the story that pertains to that spinning globe must then be brought into question and seen for the utter nonsense it turns out to be, by those that can view it under no bias.
It's not easy but it can be done if a person chooses to.

And yet Eratosthenes had his mate plant a stick in the ground whilst he looked down a well and thought, " hmmm, the sun is directly overhead, I wonder what'll happen if I go 500 stades and see the shadow. Then I'll know the Earth should be a big globe and I will likely be only a small bit out when the big scientists of the future manage to calculate it but then still use me as a ridicule to anyone who dares question it."
Something like that, maybe.....eh?

I find it equally funny...and sad that I once believed all the trollop about a spinning globe in a space vacuum, so have no qualms about your mindset.
Why would you do anything other than attempt ridicule? I'm the nutter offering my thoughts against the plated up model you devour. I accept what's thrown at me and if I didn't I wouldn't stand fast and argue points.

But the issue still stands.
Amid all of it, none of you have offered any facts.

Aww.

I think if you were round my house now, I’d just pat you on the head and give you a spoon to play with.

 

[payne]

But you haven't been there and seen it for yourself.

So it does not exist using his logic. All made up information by the man in charge..

In his world no one actually knows anything. All engineers, scientists, mathematicians etc. are all just copying from text books all day long. They don't realise it's all bollocks and they are thick as shit parroting lies to each other and the wider world. The fact it all adds up and works in practical applications is just an oddity.

 

[legend7]

Aww.

I think if you were round my house now, I’d just pat you on the head and give you a spoon to play with.

Is the spoon cup definitely curved or just looks like a curve?

 

[DaveH]

In his world no one actually knows anything. All engineers, scientists, mathematicians etc. are all just copying from text books all day long. They don't realise it's all bollocks and they are thick as shit parroting lies to each other and the wider world. The fact it all adds up and works in practical applications is just an oddity.

We repeat what we have been told, which is why society has stagnated. Nothing new invented or discovered. All to hide the true shape of the earth.

 

[payne]

We repeat what we have been told, which is why society has stagnated. Nothing new invented or discovered. All to hide the true shape of the earth.

Makes perfect sense when I look outside and see vast forests everywhere and no mechanisation

 

[Nukehasslefan]

They bring them out of orbit and let gravity crash them into the ocean. There is a space cradlft graveyard in the south Pacific ocean which is the furthest point from any land mass.

Convenient.

The earth spins. To keep them over that singular point on earth they must be at a particular altitude to keep pace with the spinning earth as its to all intents a sphere.

It's 36,000km. I looked it up

What keeps this 36,000 km orbit to keep this satellite focused on one area of Earth?
How do they get the satellites into that distance to start an orbit?

If they do not ever need repairs then what is the lifespan of these satellites and how are the components cooled?

It's called point nemo Fwiw

What is point nemo?

But you haven't been there and seen it for yourself.

So it does not exist using his logic. All made up information by the man in charge..

Are you sure it isn't?

We repeat what we have been told, which is why society has stagnated. Nothing new invented or discovered. All to hide the true shape of the earth.

I'm not arguing inventions that we physically use, so using this as an argument is basically pointless.

 

[What A Waster]

Don't be silly, how do you know that you are not just photographing the reflection on the dome?

Unless you personally have been to the moon and trailed a bit of string to measure the distance I refuse to accept your so called measurements.

It's mad when the moon is rising and it's elliptical and then when it gets over head it's a circle. Love the way it moves over the dome

We repeat what we have been told, which is why society has stagnated. Nothing new invented or discovered. All to hide the true shape of the earth.

This whole appeal to authority thing is what makes me laugh. Like it's a water tight argument that disproves anything.
Heart surgeons learn from other's knowledge. A car mechanic learns from what others have done before him.
We have years and years of kniwledge and understanding which is passed down.
Learning to cook something, you just follow a recipe. This is how it is done, this makes the meal.
Nobody says I've never made a cake before so I'll just throw in some random ingredients and see what comes out.

The distrust of anything taught is total paranoia. It's absurd. But it only seems to be stuff that is hard to comprehend. Imagine having to think how tiny and insignificant you are in the grand scheme of things... you life time is the longest amount of time you can ever experience and the most important thing that happens to you, yet you're only one out 7 billion people on the planet and are here for about 80 years and the earth is billions of years old. That can mess with your head a bit when you start thinking about it.
The need to wrest back some control occurs. Anything I don't understand is made up. I didn't succeed in school so I don't trust that shite. University of life me, pal. Repeating stuff you've been told? Anybody can do that.

 

[DaveH]

It's mad when the moon is rising and it's elliptical and then when it gets over head it's a circle. Love the way it moves over the dome


This whole appeal to authority thing is what makes me laugh. Like it's a water tight argument that disproves anything.
Heart surgeons learn from other's knowledge. A car mechanic learns from what others have done before him.
We have years and years of kniwledge and understanding which is passed down.
Learning to cook something, you just follow a recipe. This is how it is done, this makes the meal.
Nobody says I've never made a cake before so I'll just throw in some random ingredients and see what comes out.

The distrust of anything taught is total paranoia. It's absurd. But it only seems to be stuff that is hard to comprehend. Imagine having to think how tiny and insignificant you are in the grand scheme of things... you life time is the longest amount of time you can ever experience and the most important thing that happens to you, yet you're only one out 7 billion people on the planet and are here for about 80 years and the earth is billions of years old. That can mess with your head a bit when you start thinking about it.
The need to wrest back some control occurs. Anything I don't understand is made up. I didn't succeed in school so I don't trust that shite. University of life me, pal. Repeating stuff you've been told? Anybody can do that.

And to back that up, just claim the entire education system is repeating facts from a book. No working out, no research, no investigation, no experiments. All completely wrong.

I'm not arguing inventions that we physically use, so using this as an argument is basically pointless.

Ah, like satellites?

 

[What A Waster]

And to back that up, just claim the entire education system is repeating facts from a book. No working out, no research, no investigation, no experiments. All completely wrong.

Ah, like satellites?

Yes its easy to dismiss it all. No matter what. Fingers in ears, it's all lies.
The other day when i mentioned shining a torch around a mixing bowl. Straight away any rational mind would then go, so how can my central projector make a circle rather than an ellipse when it's low in the sky?
Not superbrain though. I'm not wrong about central projector light so I'll reinvent physics around that to explain it

 

[monkeytassle]

Convenient.


What keeps this 36,000 km orbit to keep this satellite focused on one area of Earth?
How do they get the satellites into that distance to start an orbit?

If they do not ever need repairs then what is the lifespan of these satellites and how are the components cooled?

What is point nemo?

Are you sure it isn't?

I'm not arguing inventions that we physically use, so using this as an argument is basically pointless.

Nah not doing it any more

 

[What A Waster]

Nah not doing it any more

A victory for stupidity.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

Can you?

Yes.

It's absolutely relevant when you're asking me to draw one that doesn't suit the narrative.

No, that's a feeble dodge. If you are challenged to show a map that explains how things work in your version of the world, that is the challenge. The alternative has already been provided, tested and found to be true.

It's not a challenge that can be completed unless people have access to a world to map. It's not like mapping out the UK. There's a lot of water to navigate and inhospitable land areas on top of that.

More feeble dodging. You cannot explain the most basic known phenomena in a flat or cell world.

"If you had access to a plane you could fly along every coastline and document the entire flight. You'd end up with pictures that match the global map as we know it."

No I wouldn't. You believe that because your globe is offered to you as just that.
You have absolutely no clue as to what it really is. Just be honest with yourself. You're arguing/appealing from/to authority, regardless of me saying it all the time.

So every map, printed or online, every globe, every atlas is a lie, and you know better?
Even with the ability to scroll through aerial photography of the whole planet and find your own house or car, you still want to claim that?
I believe it not because it's offered like that, I believe it because it's f***ing idiotic to dispute it. Remember, what you said about accepting facts...

"Absolutely. As long as you can present it as a fact and know it to be a fact.
That depends. If you appeal to authority and find you can also back that up as factual, then you have me and I can no longer argue against that point."

Well I reckon the shape and coastline of every country, photographed and found to match the maps already in print in countless books over many years and yet to be found at fault adds up to a known fact. If you think otherwise then it's for you to show where it's wrong and what needs changing.

The proof is there but anyone that believes water/oceans just stay nicely on a spinning globe will obviously not accept what's in their face. The peer pressure of mainstream narratives is strong and likely will remain so, because people police themselves once the majority prevails.

One day, someone will read through this thread and count how many times you've put this forward.
Your only evidence for your claim disproves your claim.

I have all the proof I need that Earth is not a spinning globe. What you decide it is, is irrelevant to me.

No need. See it for yourself and you decide for yourself. I'm fine.

So once again, the curvature of water is your proof, but there is no need to measure that curve....

Yep, what's in the sky is there. The thing is, is it a solid or a reflection/holographic image from a dome?
To me that's what the situation is. To you you're looking at sky whilst spinning on a ball. I can't help you with that. That's up to you to question...or not.

It's real. It's not reflections on a dome because there is no dome. Nor is it holographs.
The very fact that you can entertain this as a possibility shows how little you've looked at the sky and I'm presenting that as a fact and know it to be a fact.

Absolutely. As long as you can present it as a fact and know it to be a fact.

Ok, so you accept that one?

The rule is simple. Offer facts and shut me down or offer appeals to authority for your supposed facts and carry on debating my obvious dismissal.

Ok, day and night and the seasons as are observable all around the world could not happen as they do if the world was flat or in a cell.
Show how they could and shut us all down.

No.

Saved you the bother of replying there.

I can generally accept a lot of things that carry no proof to me or you...

yeah like supercarbon arc crystal projectors and skydomes

... but offer a reasonable story as to the set up.

oh wait.... so not the supercarbon arc crystal projectors and skydomes.

And then there's this stuff which I do not accept because I know in my own mind it's utter nonsense just like you know in your own mind that what I say to you is utter nonsense.
The difference between us is, I don't offer my stuff as fact. You do. You have to.
Because the minute you say it may be this or that is when you lose the ability to checkmate the opponent.

There's stuff you reject because you don't understand it and there's stuff you reject because it doesn't fit your chosen narrative. Then there's stuff like actual testing which you reject because you know without doubt that it would disprove your whole theory.
If someone checkmated you, you'd still say it depends how you look at it and rewrite the rules to suit.

No they don't. They absolutely do not.
You know 100% in your mind that what you see up in that sky...is moving. You know 100% in your mind that what is up in that sky is not moving because you are still and moving on a ball.
But the narrative set out makes you accept the opposite of what your own senses tell you. In my opinion.

As above, your inability to understand celestial mechanics clearly shows. Your opinion is based on ignorance.

No.
An answer is just that, an answer. Not accepting the answer or ridiculing the answer does not make it a non answer.

More feeble dodging. If someone asks you a dozen times what experiments you have done/can do and you refuse to give details, that's not a case of not accepting the answer.

I'll never have any correct answers for you or others that support a spinning globe model and how they see life. My stuff sidesteps that so I wouldn't expect anything to be deemed correct.
The good thing is, I don't offer my thoughts as being factual. I offer them as my own potentials regardless of what you or others decide.

Your thought that the Earth is not a spinning globe is constantly offered as factual.
Your thought that water cannot stick to a spinning globe is constantly offered as factual.

The only things I offer as factual are the things that can be tested.

But you refuse to test them or accept that anyone else could test them and find a different result.

Water level is one nailed on fact that I have no further need to argue but I will consistently use it against anyone who tries to use the nonsensical water curving and staying on a spinning oblate spheroid.

I have no need to argue it but I will... nice.
Just test it and be done with it.

Then you go with it curving like you do. I have no issue with what you decide, just don't expect me to follow what I believe to be absolute nonsensical mainstream forced bull.

No-one should be expected to follow nonsensical mainstream forced bull. The issue is your definition of "absolute nonsensical mainstream forced bull" includes stuff that makes perfect sense to those who bother to think about it and becomes mainstream for a good reason.

I don't see anything at all in this thread that proves a globe. Nothing whatsoever. I do see plenty of people who tell me it is a globe and I'm a nutter...but forgive me for not accepting that as proof.

Plenty can show you proof, but no-one can do the seeing for you.

I don't see hurdles. If there are hurdles then they must be so low as to not warrant much, if any raising of myself to overcome them.
The biggest hurdles I see are the books the mainstream place in front of the participant, stacked so high as to become impossible to jump over and tough to break down but never impossible to get around if a person chooses to step aside of it to overcome it.

Well given that the video was a list of ten challenges to flat earthers, the first hurdle is that you wont even watch the video. Watch it and see the ten challenges, then fail to meet every one. Mainstream books and indoctrination/schooling don't need to come into it, you just have to take the challenges which if you're this certain, should be simple matters.

Already did ages ago.
Not in any real detail but then again who's offering detail?

Lets not let this one get lost in a long and mostly unread reply eh?
The question was to explain the mechanics of day and night, the seasons and the star maps without a globe... and you claim to have already done so.
I challenge you or anyone who cares to take up the challenge, show me where you explained how all this stuff works on anything other than a globe.

"Not in any real detail" is going to be a key phrase here I'd imagine.
"but then again who's offering detail?" pretty much everyone other than you.