NUFC/Sportwashing

[Exile 1968]

The differences are that;
Ashley's had opportunities to capitalise on good fortune (sell the club when we got into Europe. We'd never have been valued higher, surely?), capitalise on good appointments (Benitez could comfortably have delivered midtable, within the limitations of spending what he brought in).
Short didn't willfully antagonise the Sunderland fans.

Short was always firefighting, and the one time you got a manager who could have, at the very least, got you out of the annual relegation fight Big Sam fucks off for the England job.

Ashley didn't willfully antagonise you until you started giving him dogs abuse. I'm pretty sure I would do the same if I was him. He runs you well, has said he's not prepared to Bankrupt you chasing a few places higher for the massive outlay it would take and I am of the opinion he doesn't want to sell. It runs itself and brings in over £100M per year and he rightly hates you. I'd dig my f***ing heels in tbh

 

[The Fish]

Always amazes me how people like Ashley react to receiving death threats. He obviously didn’t understand and took them the wrong way.

Anyone sending death threats should be ashamed and, if it's proven to be criminal, prosecuted.

 

[Bear Heed]

The differences are that;
Ashley's had opportunities to capitalise on good fortune (sell the club when we got into Europe. We'd never have been valued higher, surely?), capitalise on good appointments (Benitez could comfortably have delivered midtable, within the limitations of spending what he brought in).
Short didn't willfully antagonise the Sunderland fans.

Short was always firefighting, and the one time you got a manager who could have, at the very least, got you out of the annual relegation fight Big Sam fucks off for the England job.

The differences are that Short didn't receive death threats, have organised campaigns to get rid of his managers, have personal banners paraded at home games, wasn't stalked at home or in his business, etc etc etc.

Ashley did and more.

But the point is, no matter what you think Ashley should do he disagrees and he is the sole owner. You seem to believe that posting on a Sunderland forum makes you a warrior in some great fight, you're not.

Ashley will do what suits him and there's nothing you can do.

All this endless protesting does is put off potential owners.

 

[The Fish]

Ashley didn't willfully antagonise you until you started giving him dogs abuse. I'm pretty sure I would do the same if I was him. He runs you well, has said he's not prepared to Bankrupt you chasing a few places higher for the massive outlay it would take and I am of the opinion he doesn't want to sell. It runs itself and brings in over £100M per year and he rightly hates you. I'd dig my f***ing heels in tbh

That's not true. I'm sure, if you were him, you'd run the club into the ground because part of your support for Sunderland is hating Newcastle United.

It wouldn't take a massive outlay to chase a few places higher. Clubs have spent less and achieved more. Blaming Newcastle fans for the actions of the owner is, frankly, partisan nonsense.

Of course he wants to sell, but only for a profit. Given he's neglected so much of the club, getting a profit on the £133m he bought + c£100m debt he's carrying, is not likely. Especially if we're relegated, again.

 

[Deleted member 1169]

It's a mental institution.

You have wanted to "sack" every board as far back as I can remember, including Shepherd etc. In the pantheon of owners you've hated, Ashley must surely be quite high up in your affections? He has sustained you playing at a top level whereas lots of the others had you bumbling around in the second tier.

When you reflect on him in more tranquil times, maybe you'll appreciate everything he has done for you in securing the future of the club and be able to say "thank you."

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[Grumpy Old Man]

That's not true. I'm sure, if you were him, you'd run the club into the ground because part of your support for Sunderland is hating Newcastle United.

It wouldn't take a massive outlay to chase a few places higher. Clubs have spent less and achieved more. Blaming Newcastle fans for the actions of the owner is, frankly, partisan nonsense.

Of course he wants to sell, but only for a profit. Given he's neglected so much of the club, getting a profit on the £133m he bought + c£100m debt he's carrying, is not likely. Especially if we're relegated, again.

The extra money per place is only around £2m. To get from where you are into what some of your fans think is pushing for Europe would bring in around £15m more, but cost at least 10 times that to achieve. And once there, you have to keep up with the Jones's or be left behind. You can only do that with, guess what, zero net spend. Ashley has concluded, rightly, that the game isn't worth the candle. The only way to square the circle is by generating consistently making large profits on players - negative net spend. To do that, you have to be supremely good at spotting and developing talent, and not wasting money on players where you'll need to recoup investment. In other words don't buy Joelintons and Almirons. You need the recruitment skills to sell St Maximin, and buy two replacements who'll be as good, then rinse and repeat. It's actually a virtuous circle, because you should end up improving the squad. All it needs is a bit a patience ............. oh.

 

[The Fish]

The differences are that Short didn't receive death threats, have organised campaigns to get rid of his managers, have personal banners paraded at home games, wasn't stalked at home or in his business, etc etc etc.

Ashley did and more.

But the point is, no matter what you think Ashley should do he disagrees and he is the sole owner. You seem to believe that posting on a Sunderland forum makes you a warrior in some great fight, you're not.

Ashley will do what suits him and there's nothing you can do.

Course he didn't, because Short was doing what the fans wanted. Want rid of Di Canio? Okey doke, want rid of Poyet? there he goes.

I think posting on a Sunderland forum kills time.

 

[Exile 1968]

That's not true. I'm sure, if you were him, you'd run the club into the ground because part of your support for Sunderland is hating Newcastle United.

It wouldn't take a massive outlay to chase a few places higher. Clubs have spent less and achieved more. Blaming Newcastle fans for the actions of the owner is, frankly, partisan nonsense.

Of course he wants to sell, but only for a profit. Given he's neglected so much of the club, getting a profit on the £133m he bought + c£100m debt he's carrying, is not likely. Especially if we're relegated, again.

I thought Ashley was asset stripping and running it into the ground? That's the general consensus from the deluded ones?

 

[Bear Heed]

The extra money per place is only around £2m. To get from where you are into what some of your fans think is pushing for Europe would bring in around £15m more, but cost at least 10 times that to achieve. And once there, you have to keep up with the Jones's or be left behind. You can only do that with, guess what, zero net spend. Ashley has concluded, rightly, that the game isn't worth the candle. The only way to square the circle is by generating consistently making large profits on players - negative net spend. To do that, you have to be supremely good at spotting and developing talent, and not wasting money on players where you'll need to recoup investment. In other words don't buy Joelintons and Almirons. You need the recruitment skills to sell St Maximin, and buy two replacements who'll be as good, then rinse and repeat. It's actually a virtuous circle, because you should end up improving the squad. All it needs is a bit a patience ............. oh.

People like Fish keep spelling out what Ashley should do despite him stating categorically that he has no intention of spending or competing. Nor will he take the price the Mags want him to sell at.

They're just addicted to the sound of their own voice.

 

[Biffo The Bear]

To be fair until today the players have showed some form of effort but the last 10 today about 6 or 7 of them had given up.

Chalk & Cheese when compared with Watford. Created so much that game should have been over at half time. Wolves could, and should, have beaten us by 5 or 6 and we would have had no complaints. Players 'downing tools' will be the end of Bruce.

 

[The Fish]

The extra money per place is only around £2m. To get from where you are into what some of your fans think is pushing for Europe would bring in around £15m more, but cost at least 10 times that to achieve. And once there, you have to keep up with the Jones's or be left behind. You can only do that with, guess what, zero net spend. Ashley has concluded, rightly, that the game isn't worth the candle. The only way to square the circle is by generating consistently making large profits on players - negative net spend. To do that, you have to be supremely good at spotting and developing talent, and not wasting money on players where you'll need to recoup investment. In other words don't buy Joelintons and Almirons. You need the recruitment skills to sell St Maximin, and buy two replacements who'll be as good, then rinse and repeat. It's actually a virtuous circle, because you should end up improving the squad. All it needs is a bit a patience ............. oh.

£15m purely in terms of merit payments though, right? There's plenty of money to be made in European competition from tv and commercial deals. Ashley has neglected the commercial side of the business so much that there is plenty of room to grow there. Plus the improved caliber of players you can attract (and sell).

I agree recruitment is both vital and difficult. We seemed to have a good recruitment model for a while, but wasted that talent under poor managerial appointments. There needs to be an holistic approach to the club. It's no good signing quality players like Wijnaldum, Sissoko, Saint-Maximin or whomever and wasting them on Pardew, Carver, McClaren and Bruce.

People like Fish keep spelling out what Ashley should do despite him stating categorically that he has no intention of spending or competing. Nor will he take the price the Mags want him to sell at.

They're just addicted to the sound of their own voice.

So we should just meekly accept that the club is pointless?

 

[ned_werby]

Always a Manc at heart......he spouts all the "proud to be a Geordie bollocks" but is just a two faced greedy bastard who will pass the blame to players or fans

bit like shearer really.

 

[Dilligaf60]

He has you financially stable and competitive in the Premier league.
He's not a great owner by any stretch but their's a lot worse, ask any amount of the big clubs who've fallen on hard times.

Maybe if you stopped with all the boycotts, protests, online campaigns, shop shouting and general negativity and actually got behind the team you might play a bit better.

I don’t suppose any of them would take any heed of this when they’re pulling fat mick to bits.

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[Sabre Mag]

Chalk & Cheese when compared with Watford. Created so much that game should have been over at half time. Wolves could, and should, have beaten us by 5 or 6 and we would have had no complaints. Players 'downing tools' will be the end of Bruce.

Aye, spot on, and I think that's what I saw at Wolves. It'll be Jones next either way I would imagine.

 

[Bear Heed]

So we should just meekly accept that the club is pointless?

Sorry to break this to you but you have no other option until someone wants to buy it badly enough.

No one does I'm afraid.

You cling to the price being too high, to mask that fact but, in reality, the sale price isn't that significant. If the difference between what Ashley wants and what the club is worth is only the cost of Almiron and Joe then a genuine buyer wouldn't be put off.

After all, to get the club on the track supporters expect there's around the same amount, as the buying price, to spend on the squad, the training facilities and the ground. Bear in mind that the new owner will never own the ground so all expenditure is 'wasted' and it can't be sold or mortgaged.

If the Saudis had really wanted the club for itself they'd have easily found a foolproof way to do it and avoid the PL tests, etc. The truth is that they wanted it to promote themselves and the club was totally irrelevant.

You can't deny that, no one can.

 

[ned_werby]

Ohh he knows he's shit......but also knows there is a £2M Chq with his name on if sacked

£4m

 

[Biffo The Bear]

Aye, spot on, and I think that's what I saw at Wolves. It'll be Jones next either way I would imagine.

Do you think he would want it?
A very poisoned chalice at the moment. Immediate stick from the fans. Bruces and/or Ashley's appointment.
At the moment I really think Ashley could appoint Pep, or Klopp, and it would still not appease some.

 

[Dilligaf60]

Ashley didn't willfully antagonise you until you started giving him dogs abuse. I'm pretty sure I would do the same if I was him. He runs you well, has said he's not prepared to Bankrupt you chasing a few places higher for the massive outlay it would take and I am of the opinion he doesn't want to sell. It runs itself and brings in over £100M per year and he rightly hates you. I'd dig my f***ing heels in tbh

I’d do exactly what he’s doing now. Keep them afloat and troll the fans to death at every available opportunity. Maybe if they got behind the team occasionally instead of the players having to listen to different versions of Ashley oot every match and reading about yet another prertest on a weekly basis it might actually help them. The lazy disinterested players among the squad get a free pass every time.
The “supporters” are too busy noshing off populist MPs or, lobbying parliament (when its shut) to actually support the team.

 

[Sabre Mag]

Do you think he would want it?
A very poisoned chalice at the moment. Immediate stick from the fans. Bruces and/or Ashley's appointment.
At the moment I really think Ashley could appoint Pep, or Klopp, and it would still not appease some.

I think he would, and to be honest I'm not sure how much resistance there would be as at the moment it's the anyone but Bruce theory (and that's a camp I'm in pretty much). Said it so many times, that I could forgive his more (ahem) limited management skills, if he was not such a bullshitting victim and shouldered some blame.

His last few carbon copy interviews have talked about not deserving to lose, being unlucky, keepr not having a save to make (neither did theirs Steve) etc etc. Not an ounce of responsibility on himself.

 

[ferryhill mackem]

Course he didn't, because Short was doing what the fans wanted. Want rid of Di Canio? Okey doke, want rid of Poyet? there he goes.

I think posting on a Sunderland forum kills time.

the only manager the fans made clear we wanted sacked was Bruce. It was the players that wanted di canio sacked