Energy suppliers going bust



Scottish power just knocked at the door there, I just laughed and said I wasn't interested....."it's just about the price rises" he reckoned, I laughed again and just said I was sticking with SSE.
 
I’ve not been following things other than seeing whole sale gas prices have increased, why is electricity going up?

Have I missed something.

Mostly because the Ofgem price cap is going up so that allows them to charge more. With fewer suppliers around there is less competition so everyone charges the most they can get away with.

It's all down to how the cap is calculated. It is based upon what prices have been doing over the last 6 months not what they are expected to do in the future. The rise is the cap in 6 months time is already locked in even if prices come down between now and then.

For this reason it may be better sticking to a flexible/standard tariff now rather than committing to a more expensive fix and then seeing what the situation is in 6 months time. At present the wholesale price is higher than the cap so the energy firms are being forced to sell at a loss.
 
Mostly because the Ofgem price cap is going up so that allows them to charge more. With fewer suppliers around there is less competition so everyone charges the most they can get away with.

It's all down to how the cap is calculated. It is based upon what prices have been doing over the last 6 months not what they are expected to do in the future. The rise is the cap in 6 months time is already locked in even if prices come down between now and then.

For this reason it may be better sticking to a flexible/standard tariff now rather than committing to a more expensive fix and then seeing what the situation is in 6 months time. At present the wholesale price is higher than the cap so the energy firms are being forced to sell at a loss.
I think they need to bring in different price caps, I'm on UC and my price cap is the same as a millionaires FFS.
 
The powers that be will continue to force people to spend OTT money on fossil fuels as long as they can get away with it. Ecars are everwhere in China now, that's the way to go. It's all about money, profit. SO boring and short-minded. There are alternative power solutions for everyone right now, but we're still forced to fuck about with fossil fuels because it's a multi trillion dollar industry.
To be fair, and it's definitely not like me to do this with the current government, there is a big push to actually force people away from fossil fuels. Gas boilers won't be able to be installed in new homes from 2025 and petrol/diesel cars won't be sold from 2030 onwards which is encouraging the surge in EV uptake now.
It's actually the attitude, displayed by many on here, of people adamant they don't want to move with the times and use better and ultimately cheaper technology removing our reliance on Arab Oil Sheikhs and Russian Oligarchs.
"What do I need a flushing toilet for when I can still chuck my bedpan out of the bloody window"
 
How come UW can afford to do this?

They have a long term deal on their supply apparently, break even on gas/elec and make money on the rest of the bundle.

They do seem to make a profit, unlike most of the other challengers:
 
They have a long term deal on their supply apparently, break even on gas/elec and make money on the rest of the bundle.

They do seem to make a profit, unlike most of the other challengers:
Surely they must have a breaking point. Unless they're just a reseller for one of the big players.

Loads of the bankrupt companies will have been making money until costs went up.
 
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I am with Octopus and have a fixed price deal until next March
I asked what offers they have available now, here is the comparison

current new
Electricity charges
Unit rate15.96 p per kWh23.74 p per kWh
Standing charge24.47 p per day26.45 p per day
Gas charges
Unit rate2.77 p per kWh5.76 p per kWh
Standing charge21.00 p per day26.10 p per day
Costs
Estimated annual cost£1109.29£1882.05
I can't see any reason to increase daily standing change other than they are taking the pish.
Because they are supplying more than they can generate, so buying in to make to make up their shortfall
 
Surely they must have a breaking point. Unless they're just a reseller for one of the big players.

Loads of the bankrupt companies will have been making money until costs went up.

That's the thing though. If they've hedged their supply costs then the costs haven't necessarily gone up.

I don't know the exact details obviously but theoretically it is possible.
 
To be fair, and it's definitely not like me to do this with the current government, there is a big push to actually force people away from fossil fuels. Gas boilers won't be able to be installed in new homes from 2025 and petrol/diesel cars won't be sold from 2030 onwards which is encouraging the surge in EV uptake now.
It's actually the attitude, displayed by many on here, of people adamant they don't want to move with the times and use better and ultimately cheaper technology removing our reliance on Arab Oil Sheikhs and Russian Oligarchs.
"What do I need a flushing toilet for when I can still chuck my bedpan out of the bloody window"
Living in China has beem a breath of fresh air for me. NOBODY worries about utility bills. England is a little c*nt sucking on the teat of the USA, which as even bigger more retarded g*nt. It's disgusting how the UK is a pussy to America and at the same time. Shafting it's population, which is exactly what the evil American governament has done for hundrefds of years inc. assasinating it's own preseidents! A truly evil government.

anyway Mr Fish. I get your point.

edit.. There is no incentive to get people off fossil fuels, it might seem like there is but there is not. Not while another 200 trillion of oil, gas, leaves, whatever is still for sale.
 
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That's the thing though. If they've hedged their supply costs then the costs haven't necessarily gone up.

I don't know the exact details obviously but theoretically it is possible.
They would need serious money to hedge and stay competitive.
That's the thing though. If they've hedged their supply costs then the costs haven't necessarily gone up.

I don't know the exact details obviously but theoretically it is possible.
Yeah, I get that, but they will soon, unless they have bottomless supplies, which is unlikely given the value of the company.
 
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