“Be like Captain Tom”

Absolutely no slight on the man or what he achieved at all. Clearly a top bloke

But what frustrates me is that we shouldn’t need this kind of thing to raise money for the NHS, that’s why we pay tax. It’s just a shame that it’s diverted into Tory donors’ pockets.
he never raised money for the NHS. He raised it for the NHS charities (as was reported). IIRC this was to do things for the NHS employees. One such thing was to make a safe room for staff. somewhere they could go and shut out the covid noise.
£38.9 million is a lot of money though and I dont have a clue on what other projects it helped
 


I think you are talking simplistic shite tbh in a bid to score political points. People have raised money for all sorts of good causes for years. If the government were actively telling us to raise money for government central funding then I think you may have a point.
It’s not scoring political points honestly, it’s existed for years and years regardless of party. It grates a bit more now with the proliferation of billions to their mates, but the actual point is that charity shouldn’t be necessary with a welfare state.

Where is the benefit in an old man walking round a garden? He didn’t magic money up that wasn’t already there. If that’s how we fund things, we have a problem as human beings
 
If you want to give to charity, please give to a local small scale charity where you can actually see where the money is going. Or even better give items instead of money.
This times a thousand. Millions skimmed off the top by the big players, donate local and small.
 
I’m not knocking his war efforts, however the recognition for the charity stuff doesn’t sit right with me.

He was doing a canny thing but it was the public who got behind him and raised millions, they could’ve picked anyone of the numerous people doing great things. He just happened to catch the imagination of the public. People have done way way more charity wise and received fuck all recognition.

And I don’t like the hypocrisy of flying half way round the world during a global pandemic.

Something not right about the daughter, she’s loving the fame
 
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It’s not scoring political points honestly, it’s existed for years and years regardless of party. It grates a bit more now with the proliferation of billions to their mates, but the actual point is that charity shouldn’t be necessary with a welfare state.

Where is the benefit in an old man walking round a garden? He didn’t magic money up that wasn’t already there. If that’s how we fund things, we have a problem as human beings

Where's the benifit of people doing the great north run? These people can surely run 13 miles without raising funds for causes close to there heart
 
Absolutely no slight on the man or what he achieved at all. Clearly a top bloke

But what frustrates me is that we shouldn’t need this kind of thing to raise money for the NHS, that’s why we pay tax. It’s just a shame that it’s diverted into Tory donors’ pockets.

I dont think it started out as being to fund the NHS. I think it was started to raise a few quid to buy the staff at his local hospital some treats as a thanks for their hard work. I seem to remember one of his family saying he'd raised "enough to keep them in biscuits for life"

Only when the snowball started rolling, and the money really started coming in did it become that.
 
I’m not knocking his war efforts, however the recognition for the charity stuff doesn’t sit right with me.

He was doing a canny thing but it was the public who got behind him and raised millions, they could’ve picked anyone of the numerous people doing great things. He just happened to catch the imagination of the public. People have done way way more charity wise and received fuck all recognition.

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Exactly this. Whether or not the government were in cohoots with the media on this is open for debate but it the promotion of the whole thing by the media was aimed at deflecting from the bleakness of the lockdown situation and you could argue the incompetence from the government at the time. As you say it could have been anyone but it was always going to be someone.
I’m also not overly keen on the way the family have grown this foundation etc. I am willing to bet they will be taking a reasonably healthy salary from it all.
 
If you want to give to charity, please give to a local small scale charity where you can actually see where the money is going. Or even better give items instead of money.

Or give money towards local fundraising causes, a bairn saving up for expensive lifesaving treatment etc.
 
Absolutely no slight on the man or what he achieved at all. Clearly a top bloke

But what frustrates me is that we shouldn’t need this kind of thing to raise money for the NHS, that’s why we pay tax. It’s just a shame that it’s diverted into Tory donors’ pockets.

I believe the family have said you can raise for The Captain Tom foundation or for a charity of your choice. The message is to do something 100 times to raise funds for your chosen cause.
Wonder how many paid jobs and state honours (for family) will emerge from the “captain sir lord his majesty tom Moore foundation” over the next decade.

Do you have a problem with people working for charities?
 
If you want to give to charity, please give to a local small scale charity where you can actually see where the money is going. Or even better give items instead of money.

Don't do that. Unless...
It's for a charity shop
It's on their list of items gratefully received.

And just because a charity is "small scale" it doesn't mean you'll see where it's going. They're just as accountable as bigger ones.
 
I wouldn't take it personally. Lots of people have issues about how charity money works, sometimes justified, sometimes not.

Thing is as @chunkylover53 has said, there's a lot of charitable things which really should be paid for by taxes.

The reason so many charities exist is that people see something that isn't be funded or not funded to the level they think it deserves and they set up a charity to fund it.
For example. The first charity I worked for - Kidscan - is a children's cancer research charity. When they were set up in 2001 (I think) no other research organisation existed which was specifically focused on childhood cancer research.
Now I happened to think at the time that this wasn't the case as I'd been involved with NECCR from a young age, however, Kidscan was working on a national level despite being very small, whereas NECCR is north east focussed.
I say "national level" we only had one office at Salford University where the labs were, but we operated around the country doing fundraising. NECCR being north east could I believe only operate in the north east.

What bugs me is the sheer amount of charities which exist to fund similar things. I wouldn't want to say "You can't raise money for this" or whatever, but there needs to be much tighter scrutiny on the amount being set up and for what purpose.
Umbrella organisations or tribute funds would be a much better way to actually make progress on stuff in my opinion. I appreciate that wouldn't necessarily be easy and may end up creating more barriers or red tape, but as an example I can remember when there were multiple breast cancer charities, and I couldn't work out what if anything they were doing differently from one another. I think 2 have merged, as have 2 massive meningitis charities. Help the Aged and Age Concern merged to form AgeUK.
It is possible, but not without bumps along the way I'm sure.
 
I dunno, she seems like she’s loving the limelight. I’m probably being awful to be honest.
Nah you're probably right. People like to do this kind of thing. It's a totally different scenario I know, but I despise it when someone I know dies and people are all over facebook crying about it, people who barely knew them, people who f***ing hated them when they were alive. Absolute sly narcissistic arseholes.
 
Thing is as @chunkylover53 has said, there's a lot of charitable things which really should be paid for by taxes.

The reason so many charities exist is that people see something that isn't be funded or not funded to the level they think it deserves and they set up a charity to fund it.
For example. The first charity I worked for - Kidscan - is a children's cancer research charity. When they were set up in 2001 (I think) no other research organisation existed which was specifically focused on childhood cancer research.
Now I happened to think at the time that this wasn't the case as I'd been involved with NECCR from a young age, however, Kidscan was working on a national level despite being very small, whereas NECCR is north east focussed.
I say "national level" we only had one office at Salford University where the labs were, but we operated around the country doing fundraising. NECCR being north east could I believe only operate in the north east.

What bugs me is the sheer amount of charities which exist to fund similar things. I wouldn't want to say "You can't raise money for this" or whatever, but there needs to be much tighter scrutiny on the amount being set up and for what purpose.
Umbrella organisations or tribute funds would be a much better way to actually make progress on stuff in my opinion. I appreciate that wouldn't necessarily be easy and may end up creating more barriers or red tape, but as an example I can remember when there were multiple breast cancer charities, and I couldn't work out what if anything they were doing differently from one another. I think 2 have merged, as have 2 massive meningitis charities. Help the Aged and Age Concern merged to form AgeUK.
It is possible, but not without bumps along the way I'm sure.
Some interesting points. I'm always surprised by the number of armed forces charities (or so it seems) and, as you say, what they're doing differently, especially when you still read things about the lack of support for members or ex-members of the armed forces.
 
A noble man who did a magnificent thing. Let's be honest though. He only raised the amout he did after it was picked up by social media and the sheep followed and donated. If it hadn't been him it would have been someone else thrst into the spotlight.

He handled it with dignity and humility and may he rest in peace.

This now smacks of someone riding the coat-tails. Publicists involved no doubt.
 

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