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NUFC thread 2021.

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The Fish said:
No way a top class manager would get that team relegated? :lol: Behave yourself man. Look at Klopp's last 8 games. That form would have seen us go down with fewer points. And he's working with a much, much better side.
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But but but Rafa was the messiah :lol:

Funny that the 2 people you revere the most both got you relegated, another one quit because he couldnt cope and probably the greatest manager you ever had got hounded out as he had the audacity to be outside the top 4 and your deluded fanbase couldnt handle it.
 
The Fish said:
That's why I said maybe. If the team doesn't need it, or the monies can be raised through player sales alone, we're fine.
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The economics of the club mean, bar some luck, you are always going to be a lower half/top half Championship team. 25 years ago you had a freak period funded by being bankrolled. But now the world has changed and TV money is the driver and proximity to London is more important as a driver of commercial revenue.

The match day revenue is limited as it is 'loyal" fans buying little beyond the match ticket. Commercial revenue is limited due to NE's reliance on public sector and few if any FTSE companies HQ's in the area. The recent "success" was in a pre-digital era and the club has a limited footprint in Asia, Africa and North America. Ashley threw some money at the club early doors but quickly realised he was on a hiding to nothing. Despite being shown hard evidence that the club does not generate this extra 30m pounds per season you still think "maybe" he should find it. I have no idea what you do day to day but I hope it doesn't involve numbers as you are clueless when it comes to numbers. Even the money he is owed is at close to zero interest which blows @Cloughie out of the water.
 
jlaws said:
The economics of the club mean, bar some luck, you are always going to be a lower half/top half Championship team. 25 years ago you had a freak period funded by being bankrolled. But now the world has changed and TV money is the driver and proximity to London is more important as a driver of commercial revenue.

The match day revenue is limited as it is 'loyal" fans buying little beyond the match ticket. Commercial revenue is limited due to NE's reliance on public sector and few if any FTSE companies HQ's in the area. The recent "success" was in a pre-digital era and the club has a limited footprint in Asia, Africa and North America. Ashley threw some money at the club early doors but quickly realised he was on a hiding to nothing. Despite being shown hard evidence that the club does not generate this extra 30m pounds per season you still think "maybe" he should find it. I have no idea what you do day to day but I hope it doesn't involve numbers as you are clueless when it comes to numbers. Even the money he is owed is at close to zero interest which blows @Cloughie out of the water.
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If League position was based solely on economics, I'd agree that the best we can hope for is bottom half of the Premier League. But well run clubs across the country operating on similar or smaller budgets than Newcastle are out-performing them on the pitch. Then again, if Newcastle can only ever hope for bottom half, why can Leicester, Villa, Leeds, Wolves achieve more?

You seem to suggest that Newcastle United are forever to be a yoyo club when there are clubs up and down the country, away from London, away from FTSE companies HQs, with smaller (or similar) footprints in foreign markets. Those things are true for all but a few clubs, yet they seem to show progress, they recruit better, appoint better, play better. Objectively Newcastle are no different to a string of clubs, yet you're stating that we're unique in being hamstrung by these factors. Factors that shouldn't impact the club being run better than it is.

When it went well under Ashley and Carr had found a bunch of undervalued players in foreign leagues, there was no reason we couldn't, at the very least, consolidate by appointing a better manager than John Carver, Steve McClaren. There's no reason why we couldn't build on that success other than apathy at best, or neglect at worst. Ashley would rather authorise minimal spend and gamble on staying up, than spend within our means and all but guarantee it.

Surely, when you put down your red and white specs, you can see that Newcastle United aren't being run as a football club, we're just a merchandising vehicle for Sports Direct That's not right for Newcastle, for Villa, or Norwich, Sunderland or South Shields. It's a football club, not a billboard.
 
@the_fish Until you recognise that he is spending within his means, in fact slightly beyond it, the debate is pointless. There is no accumulated cash pile due to his non-spending.
 
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"Howay, lets havit" :lol::lol::lol::lol: The lad in the red top is funny as owt, "I don't wanna touch you, ya greasy fuck!"

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I’m Matty Barker, bringing in the Barker’s to get rid of the cat lover
 
I'm sure that during the current pandemic, with Big Mike's high street outlets shut, his Debenhams investment worth zero, his first thought is to throw yet more cash at a club who's fanbase want rid of him.

Deluded f*ckwits strike again.
jlaws said:
@the_fish Until you recognise that he is spending within his means, in fact slightly beyond it, the debate is pointless. There is no accumulated cash pile due to his non-spending.
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What about all of the money @Rosco claimed had been taken out of the club?
 
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The Fish said:
If League position was based solely on economics, I'd agree that the best we can hope for is bottom half of the Premier League. But well run clubs across the country operating on similar or smaller budgets than Newcastle are out-performing them on the pitch. Then again, if Newcastle can only ever hope for bottom half, why can Leicester, Villa, Leeds, Wolves achieve more?
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Clubs like Leicester are enjoying a good spell and are making the most of it, eventually they will return to their natural position in the world of football. They’ll probably be replaced by the likes of Wolves or Leeds who will then have a good run before normality returns. This happens all the time, there’s always a surprise club in the top 6.

You had your moment in the sun, spent big, blew it and can’t handle the reality of your natural position in the game. The difference between yourselves and normal supporters is in 25 years time, you probably won’t hear Leicester fans crying because they once competed at the top and now they‘ve been overtaken by clubs like Watford, Sheffield, etc..
 
Secret Visage said:
I'm sure that during the current pandemic, with Big Mike's high street outlets shut, his Debenhams investment worth zero, his first thought is to throw yet more cash at a club who's fanbase want rid of him.

Deluded f*ckwits strike again.

What about all of the money @Rosco claimed had been taken out of the club?
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Rosco was even more clueless on finance than the_fish.
Mr B said:
Clubs like Leicester are enjoying a good spell and are making the most of it, eventually they will return to their natural position in the world of football. They’ll probably be replaced by the likes of Wolves or Leeds who will then have a good run before normality returns. This happens all the time, there’s always a surprise club in the top 6.

You had your moment in the sun, spent big, blew it and can’t handle the reality of your natural position in the game. The difference between yourselves and normal supporters is in 25 years time, you probably won’t hear Leicester fans crying because they once competed at the top and now they‘ve been overtaken by clubs like Watford, Sheffield, etc..
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Exactly! I am guessing beyond Man City, United, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and Everton that Newcastle have had more seasons in the Prem than any other? Leicester have had a great run largely funded by annually selling a big name - Kante, Maguire, Drinkwater, Chilwell, Mahrez....planning or luck, who knows. But their wages are 84% of turnover in 2019. Villa's is over 100%.
 
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Mr B said:
Clubs like Leicester are enjoying a good spell and are making the most of it, eventually they will return to their natural position in the world of football. They’ll probably be replaced by the likes of Wolves or Leeds who will then have a good run before normality returns. This happens all the time, there’s always a surprise club in the top 6.

You had your moment in the sun, spent big, blew it and can’t handle the reality of your natural position in the game. The difference between yourselves and normal supporters is in 25 years time, you probably won’t hear Leicester fans crying because they once competed at the top and now they‘ve been overtaken by clubs like Watford, Sheffield, etc..
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Well, that wasn't true of Leeds fans, nor is it true of Sunderland fans. You're not looking at your recent troubles and thinking, whelp, this is as good as it gets so let's just be happy in League 1. You, rightly or wrongly, think Sunderland AFC should not be in the third tier of English football. Leeds fans thought they shouldn't be anywhere but the Premier League and asked why teams like Brighton and Bournemouth were. When you talk about 'natural position' I don't understand it, the leagues are fluid for the most part and even sides that were giants of the game have failed to keep pace. Over how long do you mean? All time? well your club and mine would be top half of the top flight. Last 20yrs? Last 10? Last 5?

The thing about Leicester, they won the league and used that as a springboard to enjoy their day in the sun. They've planned to extend it for as long as possible, they see the top 6 spots and think, 'why not?'. It's just sensible to make hay while the sun shines. We got to 5th, could have enjoyed a day in the sun, used it as a foundation for some form of progress... and Ashley shut the door and closed the blinds.

Like you say, there's always a surprise club in the top 6, so why not aim to be among the teams who've got a shout of being that surprise club? Spend within your means, by all means, but don't actively avoid progress. Make your team safely entrenched in the top flight for as long as possible, so when an opportunity to take advantage of elite teams' misfortune comes along, you can do it. And when bad times come along you've got a decent amount of protection. Plenty of other clubs do this, so why can't Newcastle? Give me a reason why Newcastle can't be a midtable PL club if it were run like the others in that boat?
jlaws said:
@the_fish Until you recognise that he is spending within his means, in fact slightly beyond it, the debate is pointless. There is no accumulated cash pile due to his non-spending.
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But you can spend within your means and be well run. There are examples up and down the leagues of teams who're maximising what they've got. Ashley's NUFC minimises what it's got.
 
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The Fish said:
Well, that wasn't true of Leeds fans, nor is it true of Sunderland fans. You're not looking at your recent troubles and thinking, whelp, this is as good as it gets so let's just be happy in League 1. You, rightly or wrongly, think Sunderland AFC should not be in the third tier of English football. Leeds fans thought they shouldn't be anywhere but the Premier League and asked why teams like Brighton and Bournemouth were. When you talk about 'natural position' I don't understand it, the leagues are fluid for the most part and even sides that were giants of the game have failed to keep pace. Over how long do you mean? All time? well your club and mine would be top half of the top flight. Last 20yrs? Last 10? Last 5?


The thing about Leicester, they won the league and used that as a springboard to enjoy their day in the sun. They've planned to extend it for as long as possible, they see the top 6 spots and think, 'why not?'. It's just sensible to make hay while the sun shines. We got to 5th, could have enjoyed a day in the sun, used it as a foundation for some form of progress... and Ashley shut the door and closed the blinds.

Like you say, there's always a surprise club in the top 6, so why not aim to be among the teams who've got a shout of being that surprise club? Spend within your means, by all means, but don't actively avoid progress. Make your team safely entrenched in the top flight for as long as possible, so when an opportunity to take advantage of elite teams' misfortune comes along, you can do it. And when bad times come along you've got a decent amount of protection. Plenty of other clubs do this, so why can't Newcastle? Give me a reason why Newcastle can't be a midtable PL club if it were run like the others in that boat?

But you can spend within your means and be well run. There are examples up and down the leagues of teams who're maximising what they've got. Ashley's NUFC minimises what it's got.
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Bore off man
 
The Fish said:
Well, that wasn't true of Leeds fans, nor is it true of Sunderland fans. You're not looking at your recent troubles and thinking, whelp, this is as good as it gets so let's just be happy in League 1. You, rightly or wrongly, think Sunderland AFC should not be in the third tier of English football. Leeds fans thought they shouldn't be anywhere but the Premier League and asked why teams like Brighton and Bournemouth were. When you talk about 'natural position' I don't understand it, the leagues are fluid for the most part and even sides that were giants of the game have failed to keep pace. Over how long do you mean? All time? well your club and mine would be top half of the top flight. Last 20yrs? Last 10? Last 5?

The thing about Leicester, they won the league and used that as a springboard to enjoy their day in the sun. They've planned to extend it for as long as possible, they see the top 6 spots and think, 'why not?'. It's just sensible to make hay while the sun shines. We got to 5th, could have enjoyed a day in the sun, used it as a foundation for some form of progress... and Ashley shut the door and closed the blinds.

Like you say, there's always a surprise club in the top 6, so why not aim to be among the teams who've got a shout of being that surprise club? Spend within your means, by all means, but don't actively avoid progress. Make your team safely entrenched in the top flight for as long as possible, so when an opportunity to take advantage of elite teams' misfortune comes along, you can do it. And when bad times come along you've got a decent amount of protection. Plenty of other clubs do this, so why can't Newcastle? Give me a reason why Newcastle can't be a midtable PL club if it were run like the others in that boat?

But you can spend within your means and be well run. There are examples up and down the leagues of teams who're maximising what they've got. Ashley's NUFC minimises what it's got.
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Last message before I mute you as you are inconsistent and clueless. Now it is spending within your means, whereas earlier it was "is 30m per year not too much to ask?"

Give me a reason why Newcastle can't be a midtable PL club if it were run like the others in that boat?

Let's call mid-table 8th-13th to cut off the top and bottom 7.

2017-18: 10th (44)
2018-19: 13th (45)
2019-20: 13th (44)

So bar this season they were pretty much where they should be but "oh no" that's not enough.
 
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