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Summerbee said:
We'll have to see on that one.

Alternatively, would you revise your view if none of them do?
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Are you trying to suggest that them selling off our best young talent was great foresight because they always knew they wouldn’t make it? Them not making it in the premier league would prove nothing. One has already been sold for 5/6 times what we get for him.
Coeus said:
Would anyone be so kind as to summarise?
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Takeover a 22 year whose family have a fortune of about £9bn and used to own Marseille, will be taking a controlling stake possibly 60% but looks like methane keeping his shares donald
At 15% still and sartori somewhere between 20% and 40% as the leader of a consortium that could involve others.

so basically we don’t know much but something seems close.
 
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sksk3021 said:
Are you trying to suggest that them selling off our best young talent was great foresight because they always knew they wouldn’t make it? Them not making it in the premier league would prove nothing. One has already been sold for 5/6 times what we get for him.
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Absolute clown

Not you btw :lol:
 
Steeeeed said:
What makes you think the kids we sold to Liverpool and Man Utd won't make it in the Premier league? Odds of probability or have you seen much of them?
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Didn't say we wouldn't, but there are a lot of kids who goto these academy's and don't make it.
North Yorks Mackem said:
I think a few of them have great potential to make a name for themselves. Only time will tell but signs are that we may have sold a golden generation for an absolute pittance. Man United very excited with Hugill for example. Greenwood looks a cut above too.
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They may well make it, but we won't know for a few years yet
 
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Summerbee said:
We'll have to see on that one.

Alternatively, would you revise your view if none of them do?
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We're in league one, so whether or not they ultimately make it in the PL is largely irrelevant in a debate about whether we should have flogged them. We generally seemed to get small sums for these lads, and then no doubt spent that and more on plodders like Dobson, or on wages for Lafferty or Graham. If owners had a long term vision they'd look at risk vs reward and likely realise that they'd be better off keeping these kids, trying to give them a path to the first team and hoping they'd at least be able to offer us something in this god awful league. Do that and they'd be worth a lot more than we got for them, even if they end up not making it at the top level, on top of having contributed whilst here.

Of course the owners didn't do this because they never intended staying here, as we know from them trying to sell since they walked through the door. They looked at a small sum now vs a potential larger sum when they wouldn't be here to benefit from it, so they took what they could get. Of all the things they've done wrong, the mismanagement of the academy is right up there with the worst of it regardless of whether these lads are PL regulars in the future or not.
 
pwsafc said:
Didn't say we wouldn't, but there are a lot of kids who goto these academy's and don't make it.

They may well make it, but we won't know for a few years yet
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Usually the ones that don't make it are the ones that are brought through and get released... Ones they buy for their academy, tend to make it either their or at a club in the same division. Possibly because they have money invested in them rather, either by compensation/tribunal/transfer fee. They will get that back in another transfer fee or they'll have a good few years out of the player
 
Summerbee said:
I wouldn't disagree, but I think the blame lies with the top clubs there.
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Again, no.

The first any of the families knew was when the 'top clubs' had spoken to us, agreed the fee and been given permission speak to the children and parents.

The people in charge of our club made a conscious decision to 'treat children as saleable assets rather than children' when they had a duty of care to them.

The blame and shame lies squarely with our owners, any attempt to portray them as victims or reduce their responsibility is shameful too.
 
Flash Gordon said:
I've somehow managed to miss todays developments until now.

Im intrigued but struggling to get excited over this. A 22 year old rich kid doesn't fill me with confidence as someone who can run a football club and we know the current bunch can't do it.

This kid and Sartori could have easily afforded to buy out Donald and Methven, but the fact that they haven't, suggests they're still going to be influential. I can live with Donald being a minority shareholder but Methven coming back to be an active part in the club is a red line for me.
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I also missed events as it happened overnight in Oz. Was annoying trying to work things out when all threads merge to this colossus. Skipping back at random to work out when the news broke etc.
why does it have to be like this? All right, I got there in the end, but fuck me just allow at least one new thread to state events and then lead to them without having to contend with an 8000 post thread.
jesus.
 
Lovemore said:
I also missed events as it happened overnight in Oz. Was annoying trying to work things out when all threads merge to this colossus. Skipping back at random to work out when the news broke etc.
why does it have to be like this? All right, I got there in the end, but fuck me just allow at least one new thread to state events and then lead to them without having to contend with an 8000 post thread.
jesus.
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This is what lots are getting excited about
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Guinness Guzzler said:
We're in league one, so whether or not they ultimately make it in the PL is largely irrelevant in a debate about whether we should have flogged them. We generally seemed to get small sums for these lads, and then no doubt spent that and more on plodders like Dobson, or on wages for Lafferty or Graham. If owners had a long term vision they'd look at risk vs reward and likely realise that they'd be better off keeping these kids, trying to give them a path to the first team and hoping they'd at least be able to offer us something in this god awful league. Do that and they'd be worth a lot more than we got for them, even if they end up not making it at the top level, on top of having contributed whilst here.

Of course the owners didn't do this because they never intended staying here, as we know from them trying to sell since they walked through the door. They looked at a small sum now vs a potential larger sum when they wouldn't be here to benefit from it, so they took what they could get. Of all the things they've done wrong, the mismanagement of the academy is right up there with the worst of it regardless of whether these lads are PL regulars in the future or not.
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No room for such logic mate, haway man! Especially when trying to engage @Summerbee in conversation about the owners, after all, they gave him a cushy little job didnt they?
 
Flash Gordon said:
I've somehow managed to miss todays developments until now.

Im intrigued but struggling to get excited over this. A 22 year old rich kid doesn't fill me with confidence as someone who can run a football club and we know the current bunch can't do it.

This kid and Sartori could have easily afforded to buy out Donald and Methven, but the fact that they haven't, suggests they're still going to be influential. I can live with Donald being a minority shareholder but Methven coming back to be an active part in the club is a red line for me.
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A lot has been made of him being 22.

This isn't some 22 year old from some part of sunderland who gets hammered every weekend. He's a member of of a very successful family with a lot of wealth at their fingertips
As such, he'll have all sorts of advisors around him.
 
Davyred said:
A lot has been made of him being 22.

This isn't some 22 year old from some part of sunderland who gets hammered every weekend. He's a member of of a very successful family with a lot of wealth at their fingertips
As such, he'll have all sorts of advisors around him.
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Nobody thinks he is a 22 year old from
Sunderland who gets hammered every weekend.
We have absolutely no clue what advisors he has and certainly not if they know anything about football. We know very little about him.
 
sksk3021 said:
Nobody thinks he is a 22 year old from
Sunderland who gets hammered every weekend.
We have absolutely no clue what advisors he has and certainly not if they know anything about football. We know very little about him.
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My point is he isn't a typical 22 year old that we all know.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
We're in league one, so whether or not they ultimately make it in the PL is largely irrelevant in a debate about whether we should have flogged them. We generally seemed to get small sums for these lads, and then no doubt spent that and more on plodders like Dobson, or on wages for Lafferty or Graham. If owners had a long term vision they'd look at risk vs reward and likely realise that they'd be better off keeping these kids, trying to give them a path to the first team and hoping they'd at least be able to offer us something in this god awful league. Do that and they'd be worth a lot more than we got for them, even if they end up not making it at the top level, on top of having contributed whilst here.

Of course the owners didn't do this because they never intended staying here, as we know from them trying to sell since they walked through the door. They looked at a small sum now vs a potential larger sum when they wouldn't be here to benefit from it, so they took what they could get. Of all the things they've done wrong, the mismanagement of the academy is right up there with the worst of it regardless of whether these lads are PL regulars in the future or not.
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the talent pool we had was our opportunity to blood at a low level and grow a team as it progressed through the leagues.
As it is we are a hotch potch of journey men. Typical Sunderland, lack of strategy, lack of vision short term management. Utter buffoons
 
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