[3rd Test] England v Pakistan (Rose Bowl)

[dixonsafc]

In fact I can remember Stokes dropping more slip catches than Buttler dropping chances behind the wicket in test cricket, and Stokes is a hell of a slip fielder.

If you just said as others have , that you think other keepers are better and he had a bad game in the first test could respect your view.

But your over the top nonsense and this made up history of drops just makes your argument look completely silly.


He has had one really bad game agreed, but he simply has not got a history of drop catches it’s just untrue.

The Pakistan keeper is definitely better no dispute there.

The first part of my post was replying to the other poster just in case you wondering mate.

Stokes actually has a pretty poor record in the slips. He's dropped 24% chances since 2015, 1 in 4 shelled isn't the sign of a great slipper.

Think he tends to catch some things he has no right to which makes up for it/papers over it.

 

[Ghfd]

Agreed lads. theyve played well these two Pakistan lads. Make the most of it as the new ball will probably see a few wickets.

 

[PeteFTM]

Yasir Shah/Pakistan’s Lionel Messi lookalike has scored 5 , 33, 5 .. get one of these two out soonish and it’s game over imo

 

[TravellingMackem]

In fact I can remember Stokes dropping more slip catches than Buttler dropping chances behind the wicket in test cricket, and Stokes is a hell of a slip fielder.

If you just said as others have , that you think other keepers are better and he had a bad game in the first test could respect your view.

But your over the top nonsense and this made up history of drops just makes your argument look completely silly.


He has had one really bad game agreed, but he simply has not got a history of drop catches it’s just untrue.

The Pakistan keeper is definitely better no dispute there.

The first part of my post was replying to the other poster just in case you wondering mate.

The keeper also has giant fuck off gloves to catch with and the slips get generally more difficult chances

Where is this history of drops like you talking absolute nonsense, even Atherton said on commentary today said he had one bad game.

Nobody not one person is disputing he had a really bad game in the first test, but this history is in your own mind.


Once again apart from that one game, how many stumpings has he missed in test cricket?

The Pakistan keeper has made more stumpings in this game than Jos has in his test career. To never make a stumping in your career is an awful sign whatever way you look at it. His keeping is just woeful.

seriously, what on earth is wrong with you?

he has made an absolute fool of you

Yes definitely. I’ve still made as many stumpings as Jos has in international test cricket

Where is this history of drops like you talking absolute nonsense, even Atherton said on commentary today said he had one bad game.

Nobody not one person is disputing he had a really bad game in the first test, but this history is in your own mind.


Once again apart from that one game, how many stumpings has he missed in test cricket?

Dropped Blackwood in the windies test which cost us the game. Drop in the World Cup final. 4 drops against Pakistan first test. Isn’t hard to reel them off and that’s just off after about 30 seconds of thinking about it

 

[Voice of fair play]

Stokes actually has a pretty poor record in the slips. He's dropped 24% chances since 2015, 1 in 4 shelled isn't the sign of a great slipper.

Think he tends to catch some things he has no right to which makes up for it/papers over it.

Guess that’s my point mate, he is known as a good slip fielder despite them drops, yet Buttler has one really bad game and of a sudden he has a history and is keeping is a disgrace.

 

[TravellingMackem]

Guess that’s my point mate, he is known as a good slip fielder despite them drops, yet Buttler has one really bad game and of a sudden he has a history and is keeping is a disgrace.

Keeping isn’t comparable to slip fielding. If you can’t see the Difference in quality between the two keepers in this game then you don’t really know the sport

 

[dixonsafc]

Keeping isn’t comparable to slip fielding. If you can’t see the Difference in quality between the two keepers in this game then you don’t really know the sport

why does everything have to be so over dramatic? Where has he said he can't see the difference between the two keepers?

 

[Voice of fair play]

The keeper also has giant fuck off gloves to catch with and the slips get generally more difficult chances


The Pakistan keeper has made more stumpings in this game than Jos has in his test career. To never make a stumping in your career is an awful sign whatever way you look at it. His keeping is just woeful.


Yes definitely. I’ve still made as many stumpings as Jos has in international test cricket


Dropped Blackwood in the windies test which cost us the game. Drop in the World Cup final. 4 drops against Pakistan first test. Isn’t hard to reel them off and that’s just off after about 30 seconds of thinking about it

Many people have said Buttler keeping is not as good as others which is a measured balance argument which I respect.

And if you just said that could respect your view

But your over the top assessment and logic is just been ridiculous mentioning one catch over a year ago.

As for your stumpings argument you can’t stump someone if you don’t get the opportunities, and yes he missed some in that game, but I can’t remember one in any other game.

In this media world if he was as disgraceful and woeful as you say , we would have seen them missing stumpings and missed catches replayed over and over again, which we haven’t becuase they don’t exist only in your mimd!

Not only that if it was anywhere near as bad as you mention he would have been dropped ages ago when he was not scoring runs.

I have no issue people saying he should be replaced, but your assessment of him is complete over the top nonsense.

Keeping isn’t comparable to slip fielding. If you can’t see the Difference in quality between the two keepers in this game then you don’t really know the sport

See no wonder, you lacking respect, you have just made something up again!

I have just said in a earlier post this afternoon that their keeper is better!

When I have said I can’t see the difference why make things up!

 

[TravellingMackem]

Many people have said Buttler keeping is not as good as others which is a measured balance argument which I respect.

And if you just said that could respect your view

But your over the top assessment and logic is just been ridiculous mentioning one catch over a year ago.

As for your stumpings argument you can’t stump someone if you don’t get the opportunities, and yes he missed some in that game, but I can’t remember one in any other game.

In this media world if he was as disgraceful and woeful as you say , we would have seen them missing stumpings and missed catches replayed over and over again, which we haven’t becuase they don’t exist only in your mimd!

Not only that if it was anywhere near as bad as you mention he would have been dropped ages ago when he was not scoring runs.

I have no issue people saying he should be replaced, but your assessment of him is complete over the top nonsense.


See no wonder, you lacking respect, you have just made something up again!

I have just said in a earlier post this afternoon that their keeper is better!

When I have said I can’t see the difference why make things up!

Quick search on YouTube brings up plenty. Knock yourself out if your memory isn’t working.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

These two have done a really good job haven’t they?

 

[Voice of fair play]

Quick search on YouTube brings up plenty. Knock yourself out if your memory isn’t working.

I think we need to give up on this as clear we miles apart,, it’s not that I disagree with in general about his keeping as it’s clear there is better out and out keepers about.

It’s the words you have used and continue to use, which is out of context and simply over the top.

They are clearly better keepers out there, but he is not woeful or a disgrace them words as I say are complete nonsense.

But you not going to back down so no point going on.

 

[TravellingMackem]

I think we need to give up on this as clear we miles apart,, it’s not that I disagree with in general about his keeping as it’s clear there is better out and out keepers about.

It’s the words you have used and continue to use, which is out of context and simply over the top.

They are clearly better keepers out there, but he is not woeful or a disgrace them words as I say are complete nonsense.

But you not going to back down so no point going on.

 

[Twisted]

Guess that’s my point mate, he is known as a good slip fielder despite them drops, yet Buttler has one really bad game and of a sudden he has a history and is keeping is a disgrace.

i think it's more than stokes is seen as an exceptional fielder, so it's assumed he is excellent in the slips, as you'd assume the latter if the former is true.

you can argue whether he really is an amazing fielder or whether he makes the occasional incredible catch almost nobody would. there are stats around about how many drops he has compared to others, but you'd also argue that perhaps alot of those drops most players wouldn't drop... because they wouldn't get the chance to

 

[Jack Torrance]

Nothing against Bess but find it a bit odd that Leach hasnt played all summer when he's preferred to Bess at Somerset and has a decent record so far for England

 

[dixonsafc]

These two have done a really good job haven’t they?

Looks like an easy pitch if you can get in on it. Everyone who's managed to do dig in early has got their rewards.

Think we need to keep thinking if we can get 1 of these, it should open an end up.

 

[Ghfd]

I feel as well that this season needs to give the players leeway, due to the lack of play and the conditions they are living in.

buttler is not the best keeper England have ever had, nor is he the worst. Yesterday could be the making of him as a test match batsman and he has kept well in this innings .

hes here for the long haul. A member of the key group with stokes, broad, root and Anderson.

Nothing against Bess but find it a bit odd that Leach hasnt played all summer when he's preferred to Bess at Somerset and has a decent record so far for England

I agree it’s a strange one but England always have a tendency to select players who can bat as well. Bess is a good batsman

great shot rise an there 6 to go to fifty. Well played

 

[Twisted]

Nothing against Bess but find it a bit odd that Leach hasnt played all summer when he's preferred to Bess at Somerset and has a decent record so far for England

england seem to love to bring players in as youngsters and learn their trade as an england player as opposed to bring them in when they're around their peak. it has obviously worked really well with some (stuart broad hopefully zak crawley as two examples) but i'm not so sure it is the right idea with spinners, bess has nowhere near enough overs under his belt careerwise to be an england spinner imo yet, given that english spinners are often barely used until it turns square then they're asked to win the game. graeme swann was an absolute outlier and it's unfair to expect anyone to come in and do that, especially given the wildly different amount of experience when becoming england regulars

 

[WCC]

Nothing against Bess but find it a bit odd that Leach hasnt played all summer when he's preferred to Bess at Somerset and has a decent record so far for England

I have been thinking the same, Bess had to go out on loan to Yorkshire last year as Somerset will always play Leach.

 

[Jack Torrance]

I feel as well that this season needs to give the players leeway, due to the lack of play and the conditions they are living in.

buttler is not the best keeper England have ever had, nor is he the worst. Yesterday could be the making of him as a test match batsman and he has kept well in this innings .

hes here for the long haul. A member of the key group with stokes, broad, root and Anderson.

I agree it’s a strange one but England always have a tendency to select players who can bat as well. Bess is a good batsman

great shot rise an there 6 to go to fifty. Well played

Players who can bat as well? Cant forget Leach's famous 1*

 

[Twisted]

buttler is not the best keeper England have ever had, nor is he the worst. Yesterday could be the making of him as a test match batsman and he has kept well in this innings .

i think it is or at least was fair to question his selection given that up until these last few matches his batting record in red ball for england was keeping wicket was pretty damn poor. you add average wicket keeping to that and i think ben foakes had all the right in the world to expect to be given a chance. he has grabbed his chance mind