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June to July 2020 - NUFC

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Banks said:
Your lovely fans also should be more patient. It's a fact players take a while to adapt to the premier League from South American players.

The same fans who gave Almiron patience are criticising Joelinton all because Rafa signed Almiron. It's pathetic
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Are Sunderland fans infallible when it comes to harshly judging new signings and having favourites because perhaps they work harder or are more exciting to watch, or is this kind of thing endemic of every football club, ever?
 
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The Fish said:
Yeah, I tend to like people who's behaviour irritates me too...

I don't get this, every manager benefits from luck on occasion, but when the fundamentals are sound, when the system is sound, they're less reliant on it. Bruce has been reliant on good fortune.


Benitez doesn't prefer flair players, this is undeniable, but he's been extremely successful in his career and built, at Newcastle, the foundations to allow us to play with more dynamism up front. There were plenty of games where we were set up to get all three points, predicated on a solid defence. Once your defensive unit is cohesive and reliable, you can afford more freedom to your attackers. The best form of defence isn't attack, it's good defending. That's why terrific attacking sides with a poor defence end up on the receiving end of sound beatings. Norwich play some lovely stuff and are rock bottom. Arsenal can be dazzling in attack and get unstuck when facing a resolute defence.


Not in the same league as Bruce man. Dubravka has made more saves than any other 'keeper in the league (118 so far), last season he only had to make 94, total.

That's just not true.



We are 20th in the league for creating chances (4th in the league for allowing them). The football has, at times, been a better watch under Bruce for the neutral, I grant you. But how much of that is down to Saint-Maximin because, frankly, the rest of the team aren't getting me out my seat. There were times under Benitez where we played some lovely stuff, chiefly after Almiron was bought and we had a player who could carry the ball at pace.


Eh? you're confusing achievement with ability. Benitez delivered automatic promotion, a top 10 finish and a midtable finish. He got the team playing from a sound footing and was adding some quality to our attack. Bruce has inherited a good defence and knackered it, in less than a season. I'd rather have a good manager who's rebuilding, than a bang average manager who's undoing the good work.

I think the fans who are bothered about Bruce being an ex-Sunderland manager are not worth worrying about.


It's a sport played by elite athletes, so yes, they eat better and gone are the halftime pies and cigarettes. Good.
Are there more injuries or are the players just taken better care of? You here tales of players who broke a bone and carried on playing, as if that improves the quality of the football. It's nonsense.
And with the scientific mumbo-jumbo has come better football. Football played at a faster pace, with more entertainment on show. Worldies now aren't just someone leathering it from 30yds. Football is better now than it's ever been.




It's not though, it's a realistic appraisal of your teams strengths versus the opposition's. Brunley haven't the players to go to Man City and play on the front foot, they'll be annihilated. Hell, Burnley can't go to Everton, or Wolves and play on the front foot. If they tried to play the ball around their players' limited ability would see them surrender possession cheaply, get caught out of position too often and leave their limited defenders exposed. So they play to their strengths. Packed, organised defence, long balls up to powerful forwards. It works.

No it isn't. Not any more. If it was purely hard work and simple tactics then Burnley and Newcastle would top the table. Even then I'm doing a disservice to Burnley and Newcastle.

We do, although some are informed opinions... ;)
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The absolute mess of this bloke :lol:
 
The Fish said:
That's not the reason why Joelinton is getting stick.

Almiron has returned more than Joelinton, and has had sufficient good games to give him a bit of leeway. Joelinton has been played out of position from the off, in an unfamiliar role in an unfamiliar league. But, Joelinton has looked lost too often.
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He hasn't returned more. Almirons job is to create and score he isn't doing it
 
Benitez is a good organiser and a brilliant politician.

His achievement, looking in from the outside, was to instill discipline in the dressing room. Have to say he did a good job but no more than many others. He is a good manager but no genius. He inherited plenty of good players and was - despite reports - allowed to buy more - albeit on a strict budget - again nowt wrong with that.

I dont get the fuss about his mastery, the negativity around Bruce's achievements or the antipathy towards Ashley's strict control of the club. Newcastle look pretty solid to me, nothing more, nothing less.
 
The Fish said:
17/18 we finished 10th on 44pts, 18/19 we finished 13th on 45pts.
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All that means is the league was of a higher quality in 18/19. League position not points tally's is the only measuring stick of a successful campaign.

Points tally's will be higher when Derby were worst premier League finishers doesn't mean that because there was shite teams in the league that seasons points overwrites league position 😂
 
I'm surprised you lads have the energy to document and debate Newcastle on here like, given your club's plight. And I don't mean that as a jibe, just, how are you not jaded to fuck by it all?
 
knitting away said:
Benitez is a good organiser and a brilliant politician.

His achievement, looking in from the outside, was to instill discipline in the dressing room. Have to say he did a good job but no more than many others. He is a good manager but no genius. He inherited plenty of good players and was - despite reports - allowed to buy more - albeit on a strict budget - again nowt wrong with that.

I dont get the fuss about his mastery, the negativity around Bruce's achievements or the antipathy towards Ashley's strict control of the club. Newcastle look pretty solid to me, nothing more, nothing less.
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The politician bit is right. When they go on about how amazing he was and how he ‘got’ them, it reminds me of how people say Boris is doing an amazing job.
 
Millhouse said:
The politician bit is right. When they go on about how amazing he was and how he ‘got’ them, it reminds me of how people say Boris is doing an amazing job.
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The jordee naschun are easy to pander to because they lap it all up
"Famous No.9"
"Amazing atmosphere"
"Loyal fans"
"Deserve Success"
"Sir Bobby"
"52,000 screaming homos Geordies
"Ashley is killing the club"

Anyone uttering such phrases has them all rolling on their backs and begging you to tickle their tummies
 
Banks said:
Has he though?

Almirons been there twice as long. I bet per appearance Joelinton has contributed more.

You love your stats oh but this time it doesn't show the point you want to make 😂
Almiron
40 appearances
2 goals
2 assists

Vs
Joelinton
31 appearances
2 Goals
2 assists

😂
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Look how awful them two are man
 
Tiote said:
You're literally posting on one of the biggest ones right now.
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So you are here just to wind us up is that what your saying?As this thread has nowt to do with SAFC.

You come on here because your fans have shite crack and and can't make a forum as succesful as this 😂
 
Banks said:
All that means is the league was of a higher quality in 18/19. League position not points tally's is the only measuring stick of a successful campaign.

Points tally's will be higher when Derby were worst premier League finishers doesn't mean that because there was shite teams in the league that seasons points overwrites league position 😂
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Hang on, you lot have been proudly stating that Bruce has more points at this point of the season than Benitez did.

Which is it? Either the points don't matter, or they do? Or League position matters, or it doesn't.

18/19 after 31 games we were 13th on 35pts
19/20 after 31 games we are 14th on 39pts
Banks said:
Aw cute your listing goals against league 1 sides 😂
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For both players.
 
The Fish said:
Hang on, you lot have been proudly stating that Bruce has more points at this point of the season than Benitez did.

Which is it? Either the points don't matter, or they do? Or League position matters, or it doesn't.

18/19 after 31 games we were 13th on 35pts
19/20 after 31 games we are 14th on 39pts

For both players.
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Yes because safc fans think the same 😂

League position not points is what matters to me

Only thig that matters is premier League. Scoring Vs Rochdale is not producing 😂
 
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