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Black Lives Matter

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Skippo said:
Ironic given that I've seen a lot of posts from the right about how George Floyd doesnt deserve the outrage as he has a criminal record.
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He doesn’t deserve the outrage, it’s utter virtue signalling nonsense!
3 white people in Reading took down for no reason at all, a little girl in Bolton killed a month ago, both attrocities committed by immigrants.
Don’t see the loony left descending on London to protest on behalf of them.
 
Mrjardine said:
He doesn’t deserve the outrage, it’s utter virtue signalling nonsense!
3 white people in Reading took down for no reason at all, a little girl in Bolton killed a month ago, both attrocities committed by immigrants.
Don’t see the loony left descending on London to protest on behalf of them.
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How on Earth are you not ashamed to share such disgusting views?!

Are you completely lacking any kind of conscience?
 
Mrjardine said:
He doesn’t deserve the outrage, it’s utter virtue signalling nonsense!
3 white people in Reading took down for no reason at all, a little girl in Bolton killed a month ago, both attrocities committed by immigrants.
Don’t see the loony left descending on London to protest on behalf of them.
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i think it's terrible the way officers handled him,
I think its terrible the way people are using his death as an excuse to riot and loot.
You have to wonder why the entire world has heard of George Floyd yet few have heard of Tony Timpa (without googling him)

I really don't like the way things are going in which people assume every obstacle that a black person faces in life is down to the colour of their skin and the oppression they suffer because of it. There is doubt that racism exists but it doesn't mean every time a black person is shot, punched, overlooked for a promotion, turned down for a job etc etc that racism is the root cause.
Movements like BLM drumming it into black people that they are oppressed that they are victims, that they can't succeed because the world is against them doesn't help them.
 
flanny1 said:
How on Earth are you not ashamed to share such disgusting views?!

Are you completely lacking any kind of conscience?
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Disgusting views?
What part of that was disgusting? Infact what part of it was incorrect?
AndyH said:
i think it's terrible the way officers handled him,
I think its terrible the way people are using his death as an excuse to riot and loot.
You have to wonder why the entire world has heard of George Floyd yet few have heard of Tony Timpa (without googling him)

I really don't like the way things are going in which people assume every obstacle that a black person faces in life is down to the colour of their skin and the oppression they suffer because of it. There is doubt that racism exists but it doesn't mean every time a black person is shot, punched, overlooked for a promotion, turned down for a job etc etc that racism is the root cause.
Movements like BLM drumming it into black people that they are oppressed that they are victims, that they can't succeed because the world is against them doesn't help them.
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Correct.
 
In ref: to post #686
I meant to say there is no doubt racism exists and not there is doubt racism exists.
to late to edit it lol
 
AndyH said:
i think it's terrible the way officers handled him,
I think its terrible the way people are using his death as an excuse to riot and loot.
You have to wonder why the entire world has heard of George Floyd yet few have heard of Tony Timpa (without googling him)

I really don't like the way things are going in which people assume every obstacle that a black person faces in life is down to the colour of their skin and the oppression they suffer because of it. There is doubt that racism exists but it doesn't mean every time a black person is shot, punched, overlooked for a promotion, turned down for a job etc etc that racism is the root cause.
Movements like BLM drumming it into black people that they are oppressed that they are victims, that they can't succeed because the world is against them doesn't help them.
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said this on a previous catastrophe of a thread but, although the name may not have stuck in the mind but this incident actually lead to change in how police interact with mentally challenged individuals.
 
I see there are loads of 'white lives matter' & 'All Lives matter' T-shirts on ebay , all a bit plain for me like, not a lot of thought gone into the designs it has to be said.
New bill to be put forward to target statue messers with ten year prison sentences, good to see action being taken....very interested to see if any MPs vote against it 🤔

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AndyH said:
i think it's terrible the way officers handled him,
I think its terrible the way people are using his death as an excuse to riot and loot.
You have to wonder why the entire world has heard of George Floyd yet few have heard of Tony Timpa (without googling him)

I really don't like the way things are going in which people assume every obstacle that a black person faces in life is down to the colour of their skin and the oppression they suffer because of it. There is doubt that racism exists but it doesn't mean every time a black person is shot, punched, overlooked for a promotion, turned down for a job etc etc that racism is the root cause.
Movements like BLM drumming it into black people that they are oppressed that they are victims, that they can't succeed because the world is against them doesn't help them.
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Does it have to be every time? What % would be required to accept that there's a problem with racism? How many stats showing that black people are discriminated against do you need before you see that there's a problem with racism throughout the UK society? How many testimonies from black people describing the prejudices they suffer on a regular basis do you need?

Have you ever, in your life, been worried that you'd not get a job because you're white? Been followed round a shop by a security guard because you're white? Had someone cross the road because you're white?

Affording black lives the same value as white lives doesn't diminish the value of a white life. Just like giving women equal rights doesn't mean diminishing men's.
SAFCOldie said:
I see there are loads of 'white lives matter' & 'All Lives matter' T-shirts on ebay , all a bit plain for me like, not a lot of thought gone into the designs it has to be said.
New bill to be put forward to target statue messers with ten year prison sentences, good to see action being taken....very interested to see if any MPs vote against it 🤔

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Hardly shocking.
 
Mackem00 said:
Yup. Bizarre that the instant reaction is "but what about me". I've never felt targeted or prejudiced against in my life. Wonder where all these white lads have grown up where they've been held back so much.
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Really? I have like, I am from the council side of Whickham.
 
The Fish said:
Have you ever, in your life, been worried that you'd not get a job because you're white? Been followed round a shop by a security guard because you're white? Had someone cross the road because you're white?
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How do you stop these 3 things happening? By which I mean how do those in power change it? People are always going to have their personal prejudices.
 
The Fish said:
Does it have to be every time? What % would be required to accept that there's a problem with racism? How many stats showing that black people are discriminated against do you need before you see that there's a problem with racism throughout the UK society? How many testimonies from black people describing the prejudices they suffer on a regular basis do you need?

Have you ever, in your life, been worried that you'd not get a job because you're white? Been followed round a shop by a security guard because you're white? Had someone cross the road because you're white?

Affording black lives the same value as white lives doesn't diminish the value of a white life. Just like giving women equal rights doesn't mean diminishing men's.

Hardly shocking.
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I do afford black lives the same value as white lives, exactly the same, I don't believe the colour of your skin has any impact on your intrinsic value as a human being what so ever.......what makes you think I don't afford them the same value?
I don't believe giving women equal rights diminishes men's rights, what makes you think I do.
when it comes to the question of how many stats you would need to show me to decide the depth of a problem it would depend on what stats you are showing. If someone has done a proper in depth multivariate analysis I would take the finding seriously.
If someone performs a univariate analysis on a problem I pay it the attention it deserves which is none at all.

The problem with the stats that are being thrown around at the moment are they can be used to fit any agenda. Unless a really in depth multivariate analysis has been done they mean absolutely nothing and that goes for the Left when they say they show one thing and equally for the right when they say it shows another.
If you have a stat that you feel is particularly telling then feel free to show it to me and I'll give you a opinion on what it means to me.
 
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