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42 said:
:eek: seriously?

Their opening offer wasn't even legal.
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As far as I’m aware, the club hasn’t even sent any communications about this. I know that if I didn’t visit this board I’d have had no way of knowing that when my SC autorenewed I wouldn’t be entitled to a refund.
 
How do the club assign the money they'll bring in for the 20/21 season ticket sales if they have to at some random point into the 20/21 season give a refund of an unknown amount to all of those holders?

Say they get in 10 million from 20/21 season tickets, do they hold back 2/3/4 million for future refunds? As that 10 million would normally be allocated to pay for X,Y, and Z straight away.

Genuine question.
 
fyl2u said:
It seemed to me that nobody knew when the season was going to start, and whenever it did happen it was likely to be behind closed doors, so it was completely bonkers to be renewing yet at all. The club then offered something they didn't have to offer as a consolation prize on the offchance the next season does start behind closed doors, the streams.

Then everybody lost their shit.
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The club did have to offer something - season ticket holders had paid to attend an additional 4 home games of 19/20 including Bury. People had bought individual tickets at £20 a pop. People had paid for 20/21 season tickets in full. Of course they had to offer something. It's quite literally illegal not to offer either a full refund or an equivalent. The streaming pass is not an equivalent.

Putting the moral aspect aside, fans know the club is desperate for money and were tripping over themselves to contribute on the condition they'd get a fair deal. The club have given no incentive to renew, it's mental that they're turning money away when they're so desperate.
 
fyl2u said:
Falsely claiming?

I was under the impression they hadn't stated which groups they'd consulted and RAWA got the hump because it wasn't them. Has that changed since the initial announcement?

At first glance, your ideas seem great. Perhaps you should suggest them to the club?

As far as I'm concerned, the ideas from the club were fine like. Yours are better though.

As for my pro-club stance, well, I am a supporter. I'm just the type that doesn't spend all day every day fuming about the club and desperately searching for new reasons to be furious at it. It seems that my type of supporter are either starting to become thin on the ground or are staying quiet because they're sick of being an additional target of that fury.

I'm quickly getting there myself. I'm only on this thread because I was summoned by someone that desperately wanted me to be available for their fury and was furious that I hadn't already popped my head above the parapet yet.
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I can’t remember a time I’ve openly slagged the club off here. I wanted to renew but I feel they’ve left me no choice but to cancel for now. How can anyone feel ok about the way the club has gone about this is beyond me.

When you have people that have blindly renewed for 20/30 years cancelling en masse something is seriously wrong
 
flusheding said:
How do the club assign the money they'll bring in for the 20/21 season ticket sales if they have to at some random point into the 20/21 season give a refund of an unknown amount to all of those holders?

Say they get in 10 million from 20/21 season tickets, do they hold back 2/3/4 million for future refunds? As that 10 million would normally be allocated to pay for X,Y, and Z straight away.

Genuine question.
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They would do what pretty much every business in the world that isn’t ran by complete fucktards does. Make forecasts and projections of predicted income and then build budgets around them.
 
wadya said:
Put the 20mill back in the pot
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The 20m that they don't really owe? The 20m remaining out of the 25m that paid the club's own existing debt from the Short era?

It's fake news man. A nothing story that's been built up as something it isn't by haters and the "fanzine" podcasts that are desperately trying to worm their way out of looking like idiots over the joint statement bollocks from December, by trashing the owners at every opportunity and continuing to spread lies to the fans to keep the attention away from themselves.
 
flusheding said:
How do the club assign the money they'll bring in for the 20/21 season ticket sales if they have to at some random point into the 20/21 season give a refund of an unknown amount to all of those holders?

Say they get in 10 million from 20/21 season tickets, do they hold back 2/3/4 million for future refunds? As that 10 million would normally be allocated to pay for X,Y, and Z straight away.

Genuine question.
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You could do refunds as money off 21/22 season tickets, which gives you 12 months to review budgets & cashflow
 
whitey said:
I can’t remember a time I’ve openly slagged the club off here. I wanted to renew but I feel they’ve left me no choice but to cancel for now. How can anyone feel ok about the way the club has gone about this is beyond me.

When you have people that have blindly renewed for 20/30 years cancelling en masse something is seriously wrong
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Something IS seriously wrong. There's a global pandemic killing people in their thousands preventing any football to be played in front of live crowds. :lol:

HANG THE OWNERS!
 
flusheding said:
How do the club assign the money they'll bring in for the 20/21 season ticket sales if they have to at some random point into the 20/21 season give a refund of an unknown amount to all of those holders?

Say they get in 10 million from 20/21 season tickets, do they hold back 2/3/4 million for future refunds? As that 10 million would normally be allocated to pay for X,Y, and Z straight away.

Genuine question.
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How do they assign nothing at all when they drive all ST holders away?

If they had offered discounted rate non refundable ST's including home and away streams for BCD games, knowing full well at least half the season will be BCD then they would have appeased many, generated funds, and had cash flow to assign. It would have also helped built bridges. Donald got praised for pushing back renewal deadline when pandemic hit so it's not a case of people being angry for the sake of it.

Instead they lied about speaking to fan groups then tried to illegally keep people's money before then turning round and pretty much telling them to decide if they want to support the club or not.

As far as I'm aware they haven't even notified ST holders either via email or post of their new terms
I certainly haven't been made aware. So they are still taking on renewals from people who don't know they won't get a refund for BCD games.
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
How do they assign nothing at all when they drive all ST holders away?

If they had offered discounted rate non refundable ST's including home and away streams for BCD games, knowing full well at least half the season will be BCD then they would have appeased many, generated funds, and had cash flow to assign. It would have also helped built bridges. Donald got praised for pushing back renewal deadline when pandemic hit so it's not a case of people being angry for the sake of it.
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You're having a laugh.

It would have caused a 100-page thread consisting 99% of folks saying "If they told me it was raining I'd have to look outside and check, SD out, the fupping chancer conman!"
 
fyl2u said:
You're having a laugh.

It would have caused a 100-page thread consisting 99% of folks saying "If they told me it was raining I'd have to look outside and check, SD out, the fupping chancer conman!"
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People praised him for putting the renewal deadline back because it was the right thing to do. Didn't see a 100 page thread with 99% kicking off about it.

Glad you agree with the rest though.
 
fyl2u said:
Falsely claiming?

I was under the impression they hadn't stated which groups they'd consulted and RAWA got the hump because it wasn't them. Has that changed since the initial announcement?

At first glance, your ideas seem great. Perhaps you should suggest them to the club?

As far as I'm concerned, the ideas from the club were fine like. Yours are better though.

As for my pro-club stance, well, I am a supporter. I'm just the type that doesn't spend all day every day fuming about the club and desperately searching for new reasons to be furious at it. It seems that my type of supporter are either starting to become thin on the ground or are staying quiet because they're sick of being an additional target of that fury.

I'm quickly getting there myself. I'm only on this thread because I was summoned by someone that desperately wanted me to be available for their fury and was furious that I hadn't already popped my head above the parapet yet.
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They didn't consult with any group. This "offer" is obviously dreadful, you don't suddenly get mass cancellations from people who have put up with year upon year of shit unless you've really fucked up somewhere along the line. Even pwsafc who normally goes along with the club line has said that he thinks there are things they should have done to make it actually worth renewing and giving them our money. I don't mean this to sound rude, partly because I think you know I try not to be, and also because I appreciate you were sort of dragged onto this thread by being tagged, but maybe the fact you don't attend means you don't fully understand why doing something like this and trying to take advantage of your loyal season card holders is something that has justifiably riled a very large number of our fans. They should be going out of their way to convince people to keep their direct debits, they should be ensuring people who do so don't lose out financially, instead they've given no reason not to cancel and have only stopped trying to actively fuck fans over once it became clear that, legally, they couldn't do it.
 
fyl2u said:
Falsely claiming?

I was under the impression they hadn't stated which groups they'd consulted and RAWA got the hump because it wasn't them. Has that changed since the initial announcement?

At first glance, your ideas seem great. Perhaps you should suggest them to the club?

As far as I'm concerned, the ideas from the club were fine like. Yours are better though.

As for my pro-club stance, well, I am a supporter. I'm just the type that doesn't spend all day every day fuming about the club and desperately searching for new reasons to be furious at it. It seems that my type of supporter are either starting to become thin on the ground or are staying quiet because they're sick of being an additional target of that fury.

I'm quickly getting there myself. I'm only on this thread because I was summoned by someone that desperately wanted me to be available for their fury and was furious that I hadn't already popped my head above the parapet yet.
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I'm sorry mate, but you've judged this situation absolutely terribly. This isn't a case of everyone trying to find another way to have a go at the club - there is barely a single person defending what the owners have done in the past week or so, for a reason.

You've told us that they're not forcing us to depart with our money as though it's some kind of gracious gesture. You've backed up the idea of a 'free' streaming pass which leads me to believe you're not being entirely genuine. You've told us you haven't seen any better ideas floated around at the same time as admitting you haven't bothered reading the thread.

Sometimes the club get things wrong. They've fucked this whole situation up.
 
AC Mack said:
I'm sorry mate, but you've judged this situation absolutely terribly. This isn't a case of everyone trying to find another way to have a go at the club - there is barely a single person defending what the owners have done in the past week or so, for a reason.

You've told us that they're not forcing us to depart with our money as though it's some kind of gracious gesture. You've backed up the idea of a 'free' streaming pass which leads me to believe you're not being entirely genuine. You've told us you haven't seen any better ideas floated around at the same time as admitting you haven't bothered reading the thread.

Sometimes the club get things wrong. They've fucked this whole situation up.
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Like I said, I was summoned onto the thread to provide a target for the boo-boy pitchfork brigade who seemed to need a poster to turn up and sit there taking the abuse that otherwise would have been aimed at the club.

I still haven't read the thread.

I still also have no fucks left to give.
Guinness Guzzler said:
They didn't consult with any group. This "offer" is obviously dreadful, you don't suddenly get mass cancellations from people who have put up with year upon year of shit unless you've really fucked up somewhere along the line. Even pwsafc who normally goes along with the club line has said that he thinks there are things they should have done to make it actually worth renewing and giving them our money. I don't mean this to sound rude, partly because I think you know I try not to be, and also because I appreciate you were sort of dragged onto this thread by being tagged, but maybe the fact you don't attend means you don't fully understand why doing something like this and trying to take advantage of your loyal season card holders is something that has justifiably riled a very large number of our fans. They should be going out of their way to convince people to keep their direct debits, they should be ensuring people who do so don't lose out financially, instead they've given no reason not to cancel and have only stopped trying to actively fuck fans over once it became clear that, legally, they couldn't do it.
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There are a lot of supporters groups out there. Have you asked them all if they were consulted?

Ah I don't really care. I didn't want to be on this thread. I haven't read the whole thing. I'm bored shitless of the abuse and of this place in general at the moment.

I can't remember the last time I had a decent conversation on here. It's mostly just "join in the echo chamber or sit there while we insult you" nowadays.

Thankfully I've found other outlets for my time that I actually find worthwhile.

Have a good one GG, you're one of the few left worth talking to.
 
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fyl2u said:
Like I said, I was summoned onto the thread to provide a target for the boo-boy pitchfork brigade who seemed to need a poster to turn up and sit there taking the abuse that otherwise would have been aimed at the club.

I still haven't read the thread.

I still also have no fucks left to give.
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In defence of those doing the summoning, I don't think it was just to give abuse. I think when posters like yourself and pwsafc (the two obvious ones I can think of) seem to back the owners at every single step no matter how badly things go, there's a natural curiosity to see whether you're just on the wind up, or whether there is actually a limit to this support and a point at which you'll say "they've fucked up here". Pwsafc says he'll still renew, as he's obviously entitled to do, but he has criticised the club's approach on this which is fair enough. I think people just find it strange that, seemingly no matter how bad a decision and how widespread the condemnation, you seem to solidly defend them. We've obviously still not found the decision or circumstances which will make you say "actually, aye, these are now damaging the club and backing them isn't supporting Sunderland, its harming it if anything". Maybe they'll do something later that you'll actually criticise, dread to think what that would have to be though!
fyl2u said:
Like I said, I was summoned onto the thread to provide a target for the boo-boy pitchfork brigade who seemed to need a poster to turn up and sit there taking the abuse that otherwise would have been aimed at the club.

I still haven't read the thread.

I still also have no fucks left to give.


There are a lot of supporters groups out there. Have you asked them all if they were consulted?

Ah I don't really care. I didn't want to be on this thread. I haven't read the whole thing. I'm bored shitless of the abuse and of this place in general at the moment.

I can't remember the last time I had a decent conversation on here. It's mostly just "join in the echo chamber or sit there while we insult you" nowadays.

Thankfully I've found other outlets for my time that I actually find worthwhile.

Have a good one GG, you're one of the few left worth talking to.
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I know for a fact that RAWA and BLC weren't consulted, and haven't heard of any that were. The SAFCSA would be the only others I can think of but I've heard nothing to suggest they were spoken to either. Like I say though, I appreciate that you're not really invested in this thread, there's no doubt plenty of other bits we can discuss down the line about other issues at the club, I'll look forward to it!
 
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