June to July 2020 - NUFC

[Shieldsman]

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No red flags though.

I wonder how long it takes ‘to consider’ the fact that a would be PL owner who the CIA states is responsible for Jamal’s death and one who the WTO states openly permits piracy of global sporting rights is ‘fit and proper’?
Sounds a right tricky decision to make.

 

[Benjamin]

Not totally true. The one team per city rule was in place when Newcastle won, but wasn’t in place for the first UEFA Cup. Either way, the teams entered all the relevant tournaments knowing the rules, and the Mags qualified by right according to those rules. Personally I don’t think the rules were right then, just as now I can’t agree with the Champions League being won by teams who didn’t qualify by winning their national league. But everyone joins knowing the rules, so they qualified by the rules and won it by the rules.

Very much true. In 1973 Arsenal were runners up to Liverpool. Spurs finished about 7th but won League Cup. Spurs played in UEFA cup as London representatives. Arsenal didnt.

 

[Black Dog]

If it fails Agent Mike still pockets £17, should cover legal cost etc.

 

[Father Jack Hackett]

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Does he own any companies that can be shouted at?

 

[Bladecat]

Does he own any companies that can be shouted at?

Would Chi like to provide her views to them? Surely it's worth raising in the House of Commons

 

[The Ghost of Arca]

Bet the MP is nowhere to be seen if they get taken over by mass murderes

 

[Sima]

I thought it was 'wasting Parliament's time' bringing up Newcastle United in the Commons last time out?

 

[Benjamin]

How did Newcastle "qualify" then? Wasn't it because 2 teams from London actually dId "qualify" legitimately but 2 teams from one city weren't allowed so one had to drop out. On what basis did Newcastle enter the competition?

1 Man City-European Cup
2 Man Utd-European Cup as winners
3 Liverpool-Fairs Cup
4 Leeds-Fairs Cup as winners
5 Everton-below NUFC as Liverpool representing Liverpool
6 Chelsea-Fairs Cup
7 Spurs-below NUFC as Chelsea representing London
8 WBA-Cup Winners Cup as FA cup winners
9 Arsenal-below NUFC as Chelsea representing London
10 NUFC-Fairs Cup

In some ways a perfect storm for NUFC-had Man Utd not won European Cup they would have got NUFC place. Had WBA not won cup they would have got NUFC place. Lets not forget Sunderland were in First Division that season so had they been good enough to finish 10th they would have qualified. And nobody on here would be querying qualification.
And as have said. EUFA applied exactly the same qualification criteria in 1970 so it not a Fairs Cup thing.

 

[AndyH]

In my opinion it's not a stupid question at all.

You're obviously one of those Mags (I wont call you people) who agrees that taking up time in Parliament regards an owner not buying you a new number 9 and complaining relentlessly about how bad your current owner is as hes not spending billions, yet looks away when the Saudis canny Lads might spend the money to get you a few places up the league. It's ok about what they do as they're spending, yet Mike's a Monster?

You arsehole

You don't think "what's worse murdering people or employing people on zero hours contracts" is a stupid question.
I think everyone else in the world probably thinks it is a daft question.

You're taking a canny leap their mind assuming all that from someone saying they think the PIF is a separate legal entity from the KSA.

I don't agree with taking time in parliament to discuss how Mike Ashley runs his football club, I don't think its a good idea, I in fact think it's none of their business.
I do often complain about Mike Ashley but never for him not spending money out of his pocket, just for the way he runs the club with no ambition for progress.
I don't really care what the Saudi's do in their own country, while I disagree with most of it I seldom give it a passing thought.
I don't think Mikes a monster

 

[Kent Boy 2]

Very much true. In 1973 Arsenal were runners up to Liverpool. Spurs finished about 7th but won League Cup. Spurs played in UEFA cup as London representatives. Arsenal didnt.

Sorry, very much false. The UEFA cup rules allowed for multiple entrants from more than one city from the start - it was the major change from the Fairs Cup. Arsenal were precluded from entering that season as a result of the FA deciding it would only nominate one entry per city to UEFA in some misguided attempt to spread European football through the country.

Everton, Arsenal and Spurs all finished higher than Newcastle but could not enter because there was another club in their City. Newcastle only "qualified" by being the next team down the list with only one team in their city. Fourth choice.

But that was the rules, so they qualified by right. Just like the current rules allow a team finishing fourth in the league to win next seasons Champions League, or a team finishing 7th in League 2 going up in the play offs.

You might not like that those rules existed, and you might not like that the Mags won a European trophy as a result, but you can’t say that they didn’t qualify for the tournament by right.

 

[scott934]

Sorry, very much false. The UEFA cup rules allowed for multiple entrants from more than one city from the start - it was the major change from the Fairs Cup. Arsenal were precluded from entering that season as a result of the FA deciding it would only nominate one entry per city to UEFA in some misguided attempt to spread European football through the country.


But that was the rules, so they qualified by right. Just like the current rules allow a team finishing fourth in the league to win next seasons Champions League, or a team finishing 7th in League 2 going up in the play offs.

You might not like that those rules existed, and you might not like that the Mags won a European trophy as a result, but you can’t say that they didn’t qualify for the tournament by right.

Just for the record, nobody is saying they violently robbed anyone of the place in the cup. Just that the qualification process counted out clubs because of other clubs in that city, and is therefore a joke.

 

[Gorillacop]

Fuck me still arguing over the fairs cup

 

[Benjamin]

Sorry, very much false. The UEFA cup rules allowed for multiple entrants from more than one city from the start - it was the major change from the Fairs Cup. Arsenal were precluded from entering that season as a result of the FA deciding it would only nominate one entry per city to UEFA in some misguided attempt to spread European football through the country.

So in English football the rules stayed the same. Clubs still qualified for EUFA cup on basis of Fairs Cup qualification. How does that make NUFC Fairs Cup qualification less credible because it wasnt UEFA cup?

Just for the record, nobody is saying they violently robbed anyone of the place in the cup. Just that the qualification process counted out clubs because of other clubs in that city, and is therefore a joke.

But the same qualification entries were applied to UEFA Cup in England. But keeps getting said on here Fairs Cup doesnt count as not UEFA recognised. Even though entry to both cups exactly the same. Joke for both or joke for neither.

 

[Exile 1968]

You don't think "what's worse murdering people or employing people on zero hours contracts" is a stupid question.
I think everyone else in the world probably thinks it is a daft question.

You're taking a canny leap their mind assuming all that from someone saying they think the PIF is a separate legal entity from the KSA.

I don't agree with taking time in parliament to discuss how Mike Ashley runs his football club, I don't think its a good idea, I in fact think it's none of their business.
I do often complain about Mike Ashley but never for him not spending money out of his pocket, just for the way he runs the club with no ambition for progress.
I don't really care what the Saudi's do in their own country, while I disagree with most of it I seldom give it a passing thought.
I don't think Mikes a monster

You dont care what they do in their own country? What a f***ing Melt you are. Fuck off and comment on your own board with all the other inbreeds

 

[Benjamin]

Fuck me still arguing over the fairs cup

Crazy isnt it. Nowhere else in country will you get a set of fans so determined to dispute the winning of a trophy. Do Arsenal fans have to put up with onslaught of Spurs fans querying their right to claim 1970 as European trophy? Leeds fans having to defend their 1968 & 1971 trophies?

 

[AndyH]

You dont care what they do in their own country? What a f***ing Melt you are. Fuck off and comment on your own board with all the other inbreeds

No not really if i'm honest.
I don't have the desire to force my morals on to people in other countries.

 

[Friendly Fire]

Sorry, very much false. The UEFA cup rules allowed for multiple entrants from more than one city from the start - it was the major change from the Fairs Cup. Arsenal were precluded from entering that season as a result of the FA deciding it would only nominate one entry per city to UEFA in some misguided attempt to spread European football through the country.

The Fairs Cup dropped the 1 club 1 city rule as far back as 1961. The FA decided to keep for whatever reason and also had this rule when it had become The UEFA Cup, it only changed because Everton complained about it. By the time NUFC won it, it was a major trophy and UEFA were always going to take it over as it was a bigger competition than The Cup Winners Cup. UEFA don’t recognise it pre when they took it over simply because it wasn’t their competition. FIFA on the other do recognise it on a global scale. As mentioned, NUFC weren’t responsible for the rules, nobody expected them to win it.

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[willo]

Imminent

 

[4everredandwhite]

Crazy isnt it. Nowhere else in country will you get a set of fans so determined to dispute the winning of a trophy. Do Arsenal fans have to put up with onslaught of Spurs fans querying their right to claim 1970 as European trophy? Leeds fans having to defend their 1968 & 1971 trophies?

If it’s bugging you both that much why are you still contributing to the discussion, or is that you are that addicted you can’t tear yourselves away?

 

[Gorillacop]

Ashley will soon be gone , Donald gets a rough deal on here, done a canny job to be fair , the hounding of him doesn’t make sense, steadied the ship and done everything the fans wanted.Poor bloke.