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March to June 2020 - NEWCASTLE UTD fc

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rentaghost said:
If this doesn't sum up the absolute blind faith demi god irrational 'Wor Wafa' worship then surely it has to be this. You have two managers. One of them has only been there 29 games. Over those 29 games he get comprehensively more points 35 to 29 than the last manager got last season. One manager is 8 points above the relegation zone the other is two points above the relegation zone. One manager gets you to the quarter final of the FA Cup at the first attempt, the other manager has fucked up the cup games at every turn. One manager gets a tune out of Almiron and the other cant. One manager develops his goalkeeper to one of the best in the premiership, the other didn't. One manager had Joelinton at his disposal the other had Rondon and Perez.

Yet after all that with a completely straight face you tell us the first manager is useless and the second one has done better because the goalkeeper had more shots to save.

It is completely and utterly mental and wouldn't happen with any other set of supporters in the country :lol:
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Yer clearly divnt undastand.
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Obvious Mag said:
I think the biggest thing for me among my mates is if the takeover goes through - do you reappoint Benitez?

I've yet to find a single one who thinks it's a good idea.

Then again I'm not sure appointing Pochetinno on £19m a year is entirely a good idea either. I don't think we need necessarily need a name. I'd argue a competent Sporting Director and a Chief Exec are just as important at this stage.

I'm more than happy to be a stable top 12 if we can invest in the academy and infrastructure and build the club without worrying what Ashley PR disaster is around the comer.
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I would agree with this but would add the caveat that while Rafa wouldn't be my choice I certainly wouldn't be gutted if he was appointed.
I think Rafa would do a very good job helping to organise new infrastructure but if we are going to get players of a higher quality then someone that plays more attractive football would be nice.

I very much agree with the sporting director and chief exec, I think should the take over go through this should be the priority not the manager. Get a top chief exec and a director of football that has a great CV and not someone who's only qualification is he is a past fan favourite. I think you need to establish a long term ethos in what kind of football you are going to play and then sign the manager and any future manager who share that ethos.

I agree with the last part but would like to see us aiming for a top 10, first few seasons I will be happy with anything that isn't a relegation battle if truth be told.
 
Wolfhunter said:
Suppose it's a bit like you lot and Keane and Allardyce. There's often threads asking for their returns...but not for Bruce who managed to finish higher than either!
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Suppose it is. Mind, Bruce spent more than any other.

These days, I dont actually mind Bruce. He had his obsession and rewriting of history regarding his sacking here but he did well overall (aside from derbies)
 
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The silence from the paragon of virtue that is Chi Susan Onwurah, Labour MP Newcastle Central, on the proposed NUFC takeover remains both deafening and pathetic in equal measures. Onwurah has repeatedly questioned and criticised Mike Ashley's ownership of Newcastle in recent years, as well as regularly highlighting what she perceived as his unsavoury business practices. She has even audaciously tabled questions in Parliament in regard to Ashley who she has pursued with some vigour and which will have undoubtedly been a popular move when it came to the black and whites in her constituency casting their votes in her favour, seeing as Ashley has been public enemy number one with the majority of the Mags support for some time.

Hereby, lies the crux of the matter. She will quite clearly not dare to express her own opinion on the takeover incase she bites the hands that feed her.The Saudi regime's dictatorial attitude and appalling human rights record makes Ashley look like a Saint. She seems hideously hypocritical.

The local media outlets are no better in questioning the ethical and moral issues surrounding this deal. There has been little probing of it by the self confessed NUFC supporters in the NE written Press such as Messrs Bird [Daily Mirror], Hardy [The Times and Sunday Times], Hope [Daily Mail], Edwards [The Daily Telegraph-Orient fan but with deep Newcastle leanings as his Twitter account highlights] and, very disappointingly, George Caulkin [ex The Times and now of the online outlet The Athletic].

Caulkin, despite never hiding his Magpie fervour, was generally thought of as a professional and fair journalist amongst Sunderland's support and wrote a well received piece back in 2014 prior to the Carabo Cup Final against Man City about our fans and what the game and weekend meant to them.

Of late, however, Caulkin's shown his true colours by pandering to the black and white masses in an unbearably sycophantic manner with his Twitter account coming up with stuff like "#cans is an expression of who we are. It is Saturday night after St.James' Park. It is being lost in drink, a soft hiss of depressurisation. It is relief & jubilation. It is toasting our friends, family, heroes, club. It is the end of something-a party 13 years in the making."

Thousands of words have spewed forth from Caulkin since takeover talks began, yet this supposedly professional journalist has portrayed himself as a naive flag waver for a Saudi regime I'm sure the late Sir Bobby Robson, of whose Foundation Caulkin is a Patron, would be ashamed of. Most noticeably one of the most heinous controversies that the Saudi Public Investment Chairman Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is associated with is the murder in Turkey of the journalist, and Saudi critic, Jamal Khashoggi.

I repeat, a journalist. One of Caulkin's own. We hope your conscience is clear George. Enjoy the reflected glory of covering your team if the deal comes off. Even you will know in your heart of hearts how shallow any success under these people, who will hold 80% of the shares and be the main financiers will be. Bet you'll never admit it though, will you?
 
Sons of The Wear said:
The silence from the paragon of virtue that is Chi Susan Onwurah, Labour MP Newcastle Central, on the proposed NUFC takeover remains both deafening and pathetic in equal measures. Onwurah has repeatedly questioned and criticised Mike Ashley's ownership of Newcastle in recent years, as well as regularly highlighting what she perceived as his unsavoury business practices. She has even audaciously tabled questions in Parliament in regard to Ashley who she has pursued with some vigour and which will have undoubtedly been a popular move when it came to the black and whites in her constituency casting their votes in her favour, seeing as Ashley has been public enemy number one with the majority of the Mags support for some time.

Hereby, lies the crux of the matter. She will quite clearly not dare to express her own opinion on the takeover incase she bites the hands that feed her.The Saudi regime's dictatorial attitude and appalling human rights record makes Ashley look like a Saint. She seems hideously hypocritical.

The local media outlets are no better in questioning the ethical and moral issues surrounding this deal. There has been little probing of it by the self confessed NUFC supporters in the NE written Press such as Messrs Bird [Daily Mirror], Hardy [The Times and Sunday Times], Hope [Daily Mail], Edwards [The Daily Telegraph-Orient fan but with deep Newcastle leanings as his Twitter account highlights] and, very disappointingly, George Caulkin [ex The Times and now of the online outlet The Athletic].

Caulkin, despite never hiding his Magpie fervour, was generally thought of as a professional and fair journalist amongst Sunderland's support and wrote a well received piece back in 2014 prior to the Carabo Cup Final against Man City about our fans and what the game and weekend meant to them.

Of late, however, Caulkin's shown his true colours by pandering to the black and white masses in an unbearably sycophantic manner with his Twitter account coming up with stuff like "#cans is an expression of who we are. It is Saturday night after St.James' Park. It is being lost in drink, a soft hiss of depressurisation. It is relief & jubilation. It is toasting our friends, family, heroes, club. It is the end of something-a party 13 years in the making."

Thousands of words have spewed forth from Caulkin since takeover talks began, yet this supposedly professional journalist has portrayed himself as a naive flag waver for a Saudi regime I'm sure the late Sir Bobby Robson, of whose Foundation Caulkin is a Patron, would be ashamed of. Most noticeably one of the most heinous controversies that the Saudi Public Investment Chairman Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is associated with is the murder in Turkey of the journalist, and Saudi critic, Jamal Khashoggi.

I repeat, a journalist. One of Caulkin's own. We hope your conscience is clear George. Enjoy the reflected glory of covering your team if the deal comes off. Even you will know in your heart of hearts how shallow any success under these people, who will hold 80% of the shares and be the main financiers will be. Bet you'll never admit it though, will you?
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Very well put. The hypocrisy of Chi Onwurah beggars belief, not one word of condemnation has she uttered yet she stood up in the House of Commons publicly criticising Ashley for his running of the club whilst currying favour with Newcastle supporters.
 
Mr B said:
Seems a bit odd how they couldn’t find sufficient evidence on the piracy issue in order to stop a sale, but they seemed to have had enough evidence to try to sue them for piracy for the last few years.
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😂 you've answered yourself...."tried!" I.e. not enough evidence!
 
Sons of The Wear said:
The silence from the paragon of virtue that is Chi Susan Onwurah, Labour MP Newcastle Central, on the proposed NUFC takeover remains both deafening and pathetic in equal measures. Onwurah has repeatedly questioned and criticised Mike Ashley's ownership of Newcastle in recent years, as well as regularly highlighting what she perceived as his unsavoury business practices. She has even audaciously tabled questions in Parliament in regard to Ashley who she has pursued with some vigour and which will have undoubtedly been a popular move when it came to the black and whites in her constituency casting their votes in her favour, seeing as Ashley has been public enemy number one with the majority of the Mags support for some time.

Hereby, lies the crux of the matter. She will quite clearly not dare to express her own opinion on the takeover incase she bites the hands that feed her.The Saudi regime's dictatorial attitude and appalling human rights record makes Ashley look like a Saint. She seems hideously hypocritical.

The local media outlets are no better in questioning the ethical and moral issues surrounding this deal. There has been little probing of it by the self confessed NUFC supporters in the NE written Press such as Messrs Bird [Daily Mirror], Hardy [The Times and Sunday Times], Hope [Daily Mail], Edwards [The Daily Telegraph-Orient fan but with deep Newcastle leanings as his Twitter account highlights] and, very disappointingly, George Caulkin [ex The Times and now of the online outlet The Athletic].

Caulkin, despite never hiding his Magpie fervour, was generally thought of as a professional and fair journalist amongst Sunderland's support and wrote a well received piece back in 2014 prior to the Carabo Cup Final against Man City about our fans and what the game and weekend meant to them.

Of late, however, Caulkin's shown his true colours by pandering to the black and white masses in an unbearably sycophantic manner with his Twitter account coming up with stuff like "#cans is an expression of who we are. It is Saturday night after St.James' Park. It is being lost in drink, a soft hiss of depressurisation. It is relief & jubilation. It is toasting our friends, family, heroes, club. It is the end of something-a party 13 years in the making."

Thousands of words have spewed forth from Caulkin since takeover talks began, yet this supposedly professional journalist has portrayed himself as a naive flag waver for a Saudi regime I'm sure the late Sir Bobby Robson, of whose Foundation Caulkin is a Patron, would be ashamed of. Most noticeably one of the most heinous controversies that the Saudi Public Investment Chairman Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is associated with is the murder in Turkey of the journalist, and Saudi critic, Jamal Khashoggi.

I repeat, a journalist. One of Caulkin's own. We hope your conscience is clear George. Enjoy the reflected glory of covering your team if the deal comes off. Even you will know in your heart of hearts how shallow any success under these people, who will hold 80% of the shares and be the main financiers will be. Bet you'll never admit it though, will you?
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‘Soft hiss of depressurization’ 🤢🤢🤢 surely he’s too old to be a 6th form poet
 
Sons of The Wear said:
The silence from the paragon of virtue that is Chi Susan Onwurah, Labour MP Newcastle Central, on the proposed NUFC takeover remains both deafening and pathetic in equal measures. Onwurah has repeatedly questioned and criticised Mike Ashley's ownership of Newcastle in recent years, as well as regularly highlighting what she perceived as his unsavoury business practices. She has even audaciously tabled questions in Parliament in regard to Ashley who she has pursued with some vigour and which will have undoubtedly been a popular move when it came to the black and whites in her constituency casting their votes in her favour, seeing as Ashley has been public enemy number one with the majority of the Mags support for some time.

Hereby, lies the crux of the matter. She will quite clearly not dare to express her own opinion on the takeover incase she bites the hands that feed her.The Saudi regime's dictatorial attitude and appalling human rights record makes Ashley look like a Saint. She seems hideously hypocritical.

The local media outlets are no better in questioning the ethical and moral issues surrounding this deal. There has been little probing of it by the self confessed NUFC supporters in the NE written Press such as Messrs Bird [Daily Mirror], Hardy [The Times and Sunday Times], Hope [Daily Mail], Edwards [The Daily Telegraph-Orient fan but with deep Newcastle leanings as his Twitter account highlights] and, very disappointingly, George Caulkin [ex The Times and now of the online outlet The Athletic].

Caulkin, despite never hiding his Magpie fervour, was generally thought of as a professional and fair journalist amongst Sunderland's support and wrote a well received piece back in 2014 prior to the Carabo Cup Final against Man City about our fans and what the game and weekend meant to them.

Of late, however, Caulkin's shown his true colours by pandering to the black and white masses in an unbearably sycophantic manner with his Twitter account coming up with stuff like "#cans is an expression of who we are. It is Saturday night after St.James' Park. It is being lost in drink, a soft hiss of depressurisation. It is relief & jubilation. It is toasting our friends, family, heroes, club. It is the end of something-a party 13 years in the making."

Thousands of words have spewed forth from Caulkin since takeover talks began, yet this supposedly professional journalist has portrayed himself as a naive flag waver for a Saudi regime I'm sure the late Sir Bobby Robson, of whose Foundation Caulkin is a Patron, would be ashamed of. Most noticeably one of the most heinous controversies that the Saudi Public Investment Chairman Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is associated with is the murder in Turkey of the journalist, and Saudi critic, Jamal Khashoggi.

I repeat, a journalist. One of Caulkin's own. We hope your conscience is clear George. Enjoy the reflected glory of covering your team if the deal comes off. Even you will know in your heart of hearts how shallow any success under these people, who will hold 80% of the shares and be the main financiers will be. Bet you'll never admit it though, will you?
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Brilliantly written and be valid points all.
 
Mr B said:
Seems a bit odd how they couldn’t find sufficient evidence on the piracy issue in order to stop a sale, but they seemed to have had enough evidence to try to sue them for piracy for the last few years.
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i have no idea who that journalist is by the way and if I had to take a punt i would guess he is guessing the same as the rest of them.
I in no way claim that his story is accurate.

I personally wouldn't find it odd that they couldn't find sufficient evidence to link the Saudis to the piracy, Qatar have already took them to court twice, lost in both cases and had to pay damages to the Saudis in both cases.
On top of that I think it's far from clear that piracy backed or a blind eye turned by the Saudi government even if absolutely proven effects PIF.

To be honest i am not even sure if any actions taken by the Saudi government effect the PIF in terms of the take over. From a legal point of view the premier League view PIF as a company based in the KSA and nothing more.
MBS is Chairman of the PIF granted but decisions he is privy to or responsible for as effectively head of state he isn't personally legally liable for.

I think the Premier league test checks for a conviction that would prevent you from legally owning a football club. A journalist highlighted a part that said even there was no conviction if the PL could have a reasonable view that the person would have received a conviction in this country for it then it could be blocked. MBS hasn't been convicted of anything nor can he be even in this country so I'm not sure that rule would apply.

I'm not a legal expert though so your guess is as good as mine, i don't claim to be an authority on the subject.
 
Benitez had the better career between him and Bruce, without a doubt.

In terms of being Newcastle manager, Benitez is behind both Bruce and Pardew.

It's that straight forward.
 
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