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March to June 2020 - NEWCASTLE UTD fc

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burb said:
It will be two or three years before these new owners can make their mark anyway. The more I read the more I think we won't be seeing much football over the next couple of years.
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The price of oil will still be low, the Saudi sovereign wealth fund will be a few coppers behind the sofa, USA will stop supporting the Saudis, they will have big problems when Iran are dominant in the region.
 

Shieldsman said:
Which translates as...….

Now that I've kept my head below the parapet for sufficiently long enough to not damage the takeover deal I've organised a token 'get fans views' meeting. I realise that the overwhelming majority will be positive but let's tick a box off. Whilst listening, I will not be forthcoming with any views of my own on human rights violations/proxy wars/killings as I don't want to damage my reputation amongst my electorate. Mike Ashley's still a twat though.
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I’d be asking her new gaffer what he thought considering his previous career.
 
Dilligaf60 said:
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on here defend them or say it’s fine for the U.K. to do business with them. Successive governments have done so and will continue to do so. That does not make it fine. It’s an abomination and morally reprehensible. You seem to be under the impression that people’s dislike of the Saudi regime has been born out of a dislike of your club, while this may be true of some, to suggest or imply it is the case for everyone is disingenuous at the very best. There are many people that find the Saudi government repulsive, you putting down to a footballing rivalry is utter nonsense.
take it on the chin and at least admit it. You are delighted to have them as they may spend some money.
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Ok i will take it on the chin as you say and I will confess that I am now one of the baddies.
Black Cat Gypsy said:
The fact that it doesn't bother you speaks volumes.

Before you give me the "I know he is a bad person and Saudi Arabia has a human rights record but I just want to support my team and see us win things. I can separate the two. I support NUFC not MBS."

Buy celebrating, welcoming and supporting Newcastle United YOU ARE SUPPORTING HIS REGIME! You're justifying and allowing him to continue his reign of terror.
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I probably shouldn't laugh while I type, but let me be the first to apologise for allowing the Princess of Darkness to continue his reign of terror.
If only I would no longer allow him to continue his reign the world would be a much better place.
 
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Should the PIF expand its investment activities in Europe, a political impact assessment could become necessary in view of the close link between the fund and the Saudi government. An assessment would have to be made as to whether the PIF exclusively acts as a profit-seeking investor or whether it pursues a foreign policy agenda. In the latter case, European decision-makers would have to consider very carefully whether such an investment is actually in the political interest of the recipient country, similar to the way they deal with SWFs and state-owned enterprises from China and Russia.

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Stevie Freestein II said:
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Should the PIF expand its investment activities in Europe, a political impact assessment could become necessary in view of the close link between the fund and the Saudi government. An assessment would have to be made as to whether the PIF exclusively acts as a profit-seeking investor or whether it pursues a foreign policy agenda. In the latter case, European decision-makers would have to consider very carefully whether such an investment is actually in the political interest of the recipient country, similar to the way they deal with SWFs and state-owned enterprises from China and Russia.

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It’s about f***ing time, although I won’t hold my breath waiting for anything to change because of it.
 
Dilligaf60 said:
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on here defend them or say it’s fine for the U.K. to do business with them. Successive governments have done so and will continue to do so. That does not make it fine. It’s an abomination and morally reprehensible. You seem to be under the impression that people’s dislike of the Saudi regime has been born out of a dislike of your club, while this may be true of some, to suggest or imply it is the case for everyone is disingenuous at the very best. There are many people that find the Saudi government repulsive, you putting down to a footballing rivalry is utter nonsense.
take it on the chin and at least admit it. You are delighted to have them as they may spend some money.
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For what it’s worth, I agree with all of that. I don’t mind admitting I’m delighted they may potentially own and then spend big, I’d be lying if I said I didn’t. That doesn’t stop me having major issues with the practises of the Saudis regime also.
Top marks for the use of disingenuous also mate, potentially the one word that sums up this place the most.
 
Dilligaf60 said:
It’s about f***ing time, although I won’t hold my breath waiting for anything to change because of it.
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The Germans seem to be more clued up.
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The analysis shows, however, that the expansion of the PIF is primarily motivated by power politics. The SWF gives Crown Prince Muhammad Bin Salman direct access to the state’s substantial financial resources. He can use these resources according to his preferences and thus purchase the loyalty of politically important factions within the elite. In addition, Bin Salman could use the PIF to “buy” international support for his political goals. Through the SWF, the economic transformation in Saudi Arabia is closely linked to the consolidation of the crown prince’s rule. Decision-makers in Germany and Europe should be aware of these functions of the PIF. Economic cooperation with the kingdom involving the PIF or companies controlled by it has a political dimension that must not be ignored.
 
Stevie Freestein II said:
The Germans seem to be more clued up.
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The analysis shows, however, that the expansion of the PIF is primarily motivated by power politics. The SWF gives Crown Prince Muhammad Bin Salman direct access to the state’s substantial financial resources. He can use these resources according to his preferences and thus purchase the loyalty of politically important factions within the elite. In addition, Bin Salman could use the PIF to “buy” international support for his political goals. Through the SWF, the economic transformation in Saudi Arabia is closely linked to the consolidation of the crown prince’s rule. Decision-makers in Germany and Europe should be aware of these functions of the PIF. Economic cooperation with the kingdom involving the PIF or companies controlled by it has a political dimension that must not be ignored.
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This has been known and, in the main ignored for quite some time mate, there’s been a lot of “nose holding” going on with the Saudis in general and their use of the SWF in particular. I’d like to believe something will change and I’m heartened by your post, but this has been going on for so long now I’m sceptical to say the least. Maybe when the worlds big economies become less dependent on oil we may have an acceleration of measures against them, but I doubt I’ll be around to see it.
 
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AndyH said:
Ok i will take it on the chin as you say and I will confess that I am now one of the baddies.

I probably shouldn't laugh while I type, but let me be the first to apologise for allowing the Princess of Darkness to continue his reign of terror.
If only I would no longer allow him to continue his reign the world would be a much better place.
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But you are continuing to support and justifying his evil empire. If you can't see that you are either stupid or ignorant. The purchase of NUFC is just a way of MBS to spread his political influence in the West and for the West to turn a blinked eye to their crimes. They supported Hunt and Johnson campaigns and helped Trump get into office. Why do you think he wants the WWE, UFC, F1 and boxing event held in his country?
Wolfhunter said:
So if we said, "no thanks" less people would die?
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No but it shows you have morals. It's shows you'd rather be a piss poor football club yoyo-ing between the Premier League and The Championship than be a PR tool for a tyrant.
 
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Black Cat Gypsy said:
But you are continuing to support and justifying his evil empire. If you can't see that you are either stupid or ignorant. The purchase of NUFC is just a way of MBS to spread his political influence in the West and for the West to turn a blinked eye to their crimes. They supported Hunt and Johnson campaigns and helped Trump get into office. Why do you think he wants the WWE, UFC, F1 and boxing event held in his country?

No but it shows you have morals. It's shows you'd rather be a piss poor football club yoyo-ing between the Premier League and The Championship than be a PR tool for a tyrant.
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It shows why I can separate what happens in Saudi Arabia with what happens at Newcastle. It's not as if there has to be 10 stonings before each transfer is allowed.


I only care as much as most people. Which is to say I tut at the news and carry on eating my dinner. I don't see why this situation would change me.

I will still shake my head when someone is beheaded.

The only difference is my football club might be more successful!
 
Wolfhunter said:
It shows why I can separate what happens in Saudi Arabia with what happens at Newcastle. It's not as if there has to be 10 stonings before each transfer is allowed.


I only care as much as most people. Which is to say I tut at the news and carry on eating my dinner. I don't see why this situation would change me.

I will still shake my head when someone is beheaded.

The only difference is my football club might be more successful!
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So what you are saying is if this was 1938 and Adolf Hitler was using billions of Marks to buy your club and makes you successful you would ignore all the things he was doing across Europe?
 
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