• The forums will be unavailable for a few hours on Saturday 6th June, when they do return they will initially be in a degraded state with some features missing, but normal posting/reading will be possible. The main website will not be affected by these updates.
    New user registrations are currently disabled.
    Some other features of the forum are also currently disabled.

March to June 2020 - NEWCASTLE UTD fc

Status
Not open for further replies.
AndyH said:
What exactly did you think was idiotic about it apart from it demonstrating how much shit you are talking?

On the second point no I wouldn't be happy if ISIS took over the club as their goal is to force Islam upon me through violence and I'm very much not a fan of Islam. Isis represent a threat to me as in they would do me harm if given the chance.
The Saudi's on the other hand are not after doing me harm and while I don't agree with the culture they live by as long as they are living it in Saudi Arabia it doesn't threaten me.
The Saudi's are fighting ISIS by the way and our strongest allies over there.
We have a government to which we allocate the task of deciding who we should and shouldn't do business with, they have decided it's not only ok but it's desirable to increase business links with the Saudi's, this is good enough for me.
Click to expand...
Mate, you’re gonna have a heart attack, log off
 

AndyH said:
Just saying that BEIN don't even have an argument never mind a case when it comes to getting the premier league to block the deal on grounds of Piracy.
Click to expand...
I take it you aren’t aware that the Premier league have been trying for several years to sue the Saudi’s for this piracy and only a few weeks ago asked the USA to keep the Saudi regime on their list of dodgy characters. However money talks, so the F.A. will simply perform an embarrassing u turn and accept them into the fold.

AndyH said:
Their case in a nutshell is that a pirate broadcaster called BEOUTQ who they believe are based in Saudi, but can't prove and nobody knows who they are, broadcast their material with the knowledge of the Saudi government which they also can't prove. They believe it's knowingly going out over Arabsat which they say is a Saudi owned satellite company which they also took to court and also lost, not to mention the fact Arabsat isn't even owned by the Saudi's.
Click to expand...
And there you go again defending the Saudi regime and trying to cast doubt on their involvement. In an earlier post you were trying to claim they don’t stone people for what civilised people accept as everyday behaviour. Everyone knows what’s going on over there, it’s been well documented over the years. They haven’t put a penny into the club yet, but people like you are already doing what they’re after. If anyone claims that Sportwashing doesn’t work, I shall simply refer them to your posts.

Obviously you’re happy to accept the Saudi pieces of silver to help your club buy trophies, but trying to defend their actions is a new low which even mags shouldn’t sink to.
 
AndyH said:
What exactly did you think was idiotic about it apart from it demonstrating how much shit you are talking?

On the second point no I wouldn't be happy if ISIS took over the club as their goal is to force Islam upon me through violence and I'm very much not a fan of Islam. Isis represent a threat to me as in they would do me harm if given the chance.
The Saudi's on the other hand are not after doing me harm and while I don't agree with the culture they live by as long as they are living it in Saudi Arabia it doesn't threaten me.
The Saudi's are fighting ISIS by the way and our strongest allies over there.
We have a government to which we allocate the task of deciding who we should and shouldn't do business with, they have decided it's not only ok but it's desirable to increase business links with the Saudi's, this is good enough for me.
Click to expand...
erm.. what?

You must be logged on to see external links
 
AndyH said:
What exactly did you think was idiotic about it apart from it demonstrating how much shit you are talking?

On the second point no I wouldn't be happy if ISIS took over the club as their goal is to force Islam upon me through violence and I'm very much not a fan of Islam. Isis represent a threat to me as in they would do me harm if given the chance.
The Saudi's on the other hand are not after doing me harm and while I don't agree with the culture they live by as long as they are living it in Saudi Arabia it doesn't threaten me.
The Saudi's are fighting ISIS by the way and our strongest allies over there.
We have a government to which we allocate the task of deciding who we should and shouldn't do business with, they have decided it's not only ok but it's desirable to increase business links with the Saudi's, this is good enough for me.
Click to expand...
Oh, so if they're forcing their beliefs through violence upon their citizens, including citizens living in other countries, makes it ok. Good, glad you're safe then.
 
woodlebert said:
This is an appealing line to go down but I'm not sure it works.

If you logged onto a home appliances fanatics forum there would probably be those responses. This is a football forum so the weight of interest is obviously towards football & the north east

And actually, in the scenario you detail, I think there would be post (likely in the politics forum) saying what a shame it was that Dyson was selling his industry to a foreign state
Click to expand...
He is not arguing against the takeover from a football perspective, if he was there are some valid points he could raise.

He is arguing against it from a moral stand point, he is saying they should not be able to make the purchase because they are a evil regime. If you are taking that stand point it's not reasonable to argue it's fine for them to buy into X & Y but not if they buy into Z.
If you want to argue that the Saudi's should not be able to do business with the UK until they clean up their act then that is a valid argument.
If your argument is it's fine for the Saudi's to do business with the UK apart from the business of NUFC because I don't like them then you don't really have a rational argument.
 
AndyH said:
He is not arguing against the takeover from a football perspective, if he was there are some valid points he could raise.

He is arguing against it from a moral stand point, he is saying they should not be able to make the purchase because they are a evil regime. If you are taking that stand point it's not reasonable to argue it's fine for them to buy into X & Y but not if they buy into Z.
If you want to argue that the Saudi's should not be able to do business with the UK until they clean up their act then that is a valid argument.
If your argument is it's fine for the Saudi's to do business with the UK apart from the business of NUFC because I don't like them then you don't really have a rational argument.
Click to expand...

You have been sportswashed completely, imo.

Do you know anything about Wahhabism? Where it comes from, where it’s exported to and how it attempts to gain further influence around the world?
 
raven_5 said:
Oh, so if they're forcing their beliefs through violence upon their citizens, including citizens living in other countries, makes it ok. Good, glad you're safe then.
Click to expand...
The regime isn't forcing Sharia law on the people it's what the vast majority of them believe. If you had a poll in Saudi asking them if they would like to live under Sharia Law or British Common law, Sharia wins hands down.
Granted Sharia Law does force itself through violence on those people in Saudi that dissent which I think is a bad thing, will I be waving banners and going on marches then no.
 
AndyH said:
The regime isn't forcing Sharia law on the people it's what the vast majority of them believe. If you had a poll in Saudi asking them if they would like to live under Sharia Law or British Common law, Sharia wins hands down.
Granted Sharia Law does force itself through violence on those people in Saudi that dissent which I think is a bad thing, will I be waving banners and going on marches then no.
Click to expand...
Of course they'd pick sharia law they would probably be stoned to death if they didn't.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DH4
MSC said:
You have been sportswashed completely, imo.

Do you know anything about Wahhabi? Where it comes from, where it’s exported to and how it attempts to gain further influence around the world?
Click to expand...
Yes, yes, yes and not particular although by no means an expert on any of them.
If pushing Wahhabi ideology is part of the mission statement for NUFC I would not be happy.
If it's pushed covertly behind the scenes I will also not be happy.
If they try and force Islam on the club, fans or community I will not be happy.

If as i suspect the crown prince only make a appearance in the event we reach a final and his interest in the club is nothing more than a tool to improve his public image and promote Saudi Arabia then I couldn't give a rats arse.
 
AndyH said:
Yes, yes, yes and not particular although by no means an expert on any of them.
If pushing Wahhabi ideology is part of the mission statement for NUFC I would not be happy.
If it's pushed covertly behind the scenes I will also not be happy.
If they try and force Islam on the club, fans or community I will not be happy.

If as i suspect the crown prince only make a appearance in the event we reach a final and his interest in the club is nothing more than a tool to improve his public image and promote Saudi Arabia then I couldn't give a rats arse.
Click to expand...
If you couldn't give a rat's arse then you should probably stop promoting Saudi Arabia and trying to improve his public image.
 
The Saudis & Qataris own half of London with the amount of property they have bought down there (The Qataris own more of London than the Queen)

All this faux outrage at them buying a football club is ridiculous when you sit back and realise that the government is in bed with the Saudis selling them 5 billion pounds worth of arms deals & the amount of property they have snapped up in the capital.

They also part own the independent and evening standard newspapers

Boris Johnson has predicted a 65 billion investment from Saudi over the next decade in almost every sector

Not one person pipes up but all of a sudden it's a disgrace because they want to buy a football club

Queue sudden faux outrage at a regime they couldn't give two shits about before because our neighbours might actually win something for once.

Embarassing
 
AndyH said:
I think it is, they are both purchases of a 80% stake in a UK Company, what is the difference?
Click to expand...
Are you really just going to limit your brain capacity to see things solely as completely black or white?

There's a difference between opting to buy a hoover and to continousley, and religiously support your team week in, week out. Spending money on your football club which is being used to try and enhance a reputation known for its horrific beliefs and traits. Football is far more than just a business, you know that. It's your identity and a common ground for normal people. It's the topic of discussion every single weekend in a place of work or home, It's what people do to enjoy themselves away from the standard day to day routine. Its not as simple as well what if this company for example, it's an easy get out, and a shite one at that.

I literally can't even be arsed to get into a debate with you if your that narrow minded.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top