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March to June 2020 - NEWCASTLE UTD fc

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Black Cat Gypsy said:
It's never too late. Countries refused to play South Africa during the apartheid era. Maybe we should refuse to hold boxing matched and the like in Saudi Arabia.

Amnesty International have written to the FA about this, the wife of the journalist who bin Salman murder has spoke out against it. Hopefully sponsors will withdraw.
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thing is with this mate, this Saudi regime is and anyways probably will be massively in cahoots with our very own royal family and government.
leaving sport to one side, historically our two aristocracies are massively bonded and hugely in bed with each other.
 

woodlebert said:
Yes my point is that if as you say "they do well for the club people won't have a problem with what else they do because it's easy to separate one from the other" then actually the fans aren't separating the club and owners at all but mixing them together. The success on the pitch impacts how the owners will be perceived.
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I would disagree, i think success on the pitch will impact how they are perceived at running the football club nothing more.

For example lets say they chuck a load of money into the training ground and youth set up. Someone asks me what i think.... i'll say great, spot on of them. If the following week the Saudi's drop some mustard gas on someone and i get asked what i think i will be just as appalled as i would have been before they bought the club. It's not like anyone is going to say yer that's cool they built a new training ground so i'll ignore that.

To be honest I think the whole sport washing thing is smoke and mirrors and people like Amnesty use it as way of creating awareness (not saying that's a bad thing creating awareness is good). If you take Newcastle out the equation as club rivalry muddies the waters.
look at the Joshua fight in Saudi.
The claim Amnesty made just as they are now is that the Saudi's are sports washing, people won't notice the bad things they do because of the high profile of the sport. Their actions will be masked by the profile of the sport and go unnoticed.
The exact opposite happens to what they claim happens, there is a huge amount of awareness generated around the human rights issues because of the sport.
Most people in the west pass most days without giving human rights issues in the middle east a seconds thought. Joshua fights there, or they buy Newcastle and look how much attention people are paying to the human rights issues.
It seems to me the high profile sports draw attention to these issues not mask them.
 
mad cyril said:
thing is with this mate, this Saudi regime is and anyways probably will be massively in cahoots with our very own royal family and government.
leaving sport to one side, historically our two aristocracies are massively bonded and hugely in bed with each other.
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Don't know about the royal family but our government count Saudi as our strongest allies in the middle east as do the US and both have a strong desire to increase ties with them.
 
kingkeane said:
Still think they’ll struggle to attract top top players to the North East even with money
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There is a point when the comments on what you / we think on the football side of things are an absolute irrelevance. None of us know.

May I suggest your views are informed by hopes and fears rather than an inside track on Amanda Staveley’s business plan.

I will trade that uncertainty for the certainty of a zombie football club with no raison d’etre except minimum survival and enriching Mike Ashley.

All the same, thank you for your concern.

Let’s see what happens.
 
Ericsgate said:
There is a point when the comments on what you / we think on the football side of things are an absolute irrelevance. None of us know.

May I suggest your views are informed by hopes and fears rather than an inside track on Amanda Staveley’s business plan.

I will trade that uncertainty for the certainty of a zombie football club with no raison d’etre except minimum survival and enriching Mike Ashley.

All the same, thank you for your concern.

Let’s see what happens.
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What the fuck are you still doing here you absolute f***ing clown?
 
AndyH said:
I would disagree, i think success on the pitch will impact how they are perceived at running the football club nothing more.

For example lets say they chuck a load of money into the training ground and youth set up. Someone asks me what i think.... i'll say great, spot on of them. If the following week the Saudi's drop some mustard gas on someone and i get asked what i think i will be just as appalled as i would have been before they bought the club. It's not like anyone is going to say yer that's cool they built a new training ground so i'll ignore that.

To be honest I think the whole sport washing thing is smoke and mirrors and people like Amnesty use it as way of creating awareness (not saying that's a bad thing creating awareness is good). If you take Newcastle out the equation as club rivalry muddies the waters.
look at the Joshua fight in Saudi.
The claim Amnesty made just as they are now is that the Saudi's are sports washing, people won't notice the bad things they do because of the high profile of the sport. Their actions will be masked by the profile of the sport and go unnoticed.
The exact opposite happens to what they claim happens, there is a huge amount of awareness generated around the human rights issues because of the sport.
Most people in the west pass most days without giving human rights issues in the middle east a seconds thought. Joshua fights there, or they buy Newcastle and look how much attention people are paying to the human rights issues.
It seems to me the high profile sports draw attention to these issues not mask them.
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Of course it's soortswashing and I can't believe anyone would think otherwise. Look at Twitter, media comments and in here and you'll see so many shite whataboutary arguements playing down the Saudi regime's brutality. This seeps into the narrative and it's the only reason why they're doing it.
I find it depressing how easily bought you are.
 
partridge amongst the pig said:
What the fuck are you still doing here you absolute f***ing clown?
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Calling out hypocrisy and jealousy and making intelligent comment in the face of unintelligent spite anger-fuelled nastiness like yours.

Discourse like this reminds me of Kipling’s “If” and what it takes to be a man. You should read it and try some self reflection and personal improvement.

I will not give way to haters and will make allowances for your doubting.

I will bear to hear the truth I’ve spoken
twisted by knaves.

I will talk with crowds and keep my virtue.

Follow these rules and we can all learn to get along better without debasing discussion into insult.

The working day beckons....
 
Ericsgate said:
Calling out hypocrisy and jealousy and making intelligent comment in the face of unintelligent spite anger-fuelled nastiness like yours.

Discourse like this reminds me of Kipling’s “If” and what it takes to be a man. You should read it and try some self reflection and personal improvement.

I will not give way to haters and will make allowances for your doubting.

I will bear to hear the truth I’ve spoken
twisted by knaves.

I will talk with crowds and keep my virtue.

Follow these rules and we can all learn to get along better without debasing discussion into insult.

The working day beckons....
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
G Whizz said:
Of course it's soortswashing and I can't believe anyone would think otherwise. Look at Twitter, media comments and in here and you'll see so many shite whataboutary arguements playing down the Saudi regime's brutality. This seeps into the narrative and it's the only reason why they're doing it.
I find it depressing how easily bought you are.
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A lad on twitter who works for Amnesty and supports Newcastle posted a thread about the takeover last night.
The abuse in the replies he got was unbelievable, everyone with Saudi flags and head scarves telling him to fk off and mind his own business.

exactly what the Saudis are looking for, there's no modernisation ffs just a smoke and mirrors sham.
 
Ericsgate said:
Calling out hypocrisy and jealousy and making intelligent comment in the face of unintelligent spite anger-fuelled nastiness like yours.

Discourse like this reminds me of Kipling’s “If” and what it takes to be a man. You should read it and try some self reflection and personal improvement.

I will not give way to haters and will make allowances for your doubting.

I will bear to hear the truth I’ve spoken
twisted by knaves.

I will talk with crowds and keep my virtue.

Follow these rules and we can all learn to get along better without debasing discussion into insult.

The working day beckons....
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:oops::oops::oops::oops:
 
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