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March to June 2020 - NEWCASTLE UTD fc

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Gobuchul said:
I'm a Newcastle supporter, I have a lot of problems with the Saudis coming in. They are a horrible bunch.

I not sure if I would even watch them on a dodgy stream, never mind put money directly into the Club.

However, the vast majority either aren't bothered, ignoring it or trying to justify it by highlighting that the UK still does business in Saudi.

I guess this would be the same for any bunch of football supporters. SAFC would be no different.
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mag in peace said:
Nice to see the impartiality of Richard Keys...
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At least we know for a fact now that he has an agenda and when he spouts shit it's because he dislikes the club.
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I wouldn’t listen to their views on anything at all. Muppets.
 
mag in peace said:
The difference being here however is that it is entirely possible by protesting and voicing dissatisfaction about the ways he runs his business, to change it. Parliament could pass a bill with regards to zero hour contracts for example. They did investigate the way he treats employees and cited many cases.

We have no interest at all of holding the Saudi state accountable. It's not hypocritical - we just don't stand a chance.

Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Tidied ;)
 
BigPeter said:
Nowhere near same amount of money...

Plus the yanks aren't sports washing.. totally different circumstances.
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The value of both clubs are nowhere near the same amount of money either.
The same principal applies, if the yanks wants us that much they’ll come up with the goods, much the same as what you’re saying about the Arabs.
 
johnnyat87 said:
Fair play for being honest and I agree entirely with your last point, we would be trying to justify it too.

The problem Newcastle fans have is they've shown plenty of faux outrage at Ashley for his Sports Direct practices etc. on a supposedly moral basis so in theory they have set a precedent, but I'm not sure many will continue it on.
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any Outrage at Ashley was effectively caused by football. If he splashed cash and showed a bit ambition nobody would remotely care about his working practises.
It’ll be the same with the Saudis, if they spend cash people will turn a blind eye to their off field activities. If they turn out to be unsuccessful at the playing side then every black and whiter out there will all of a sudden be long time supporters of amnesty international.
That’s exactly how it will work and how it would at every club in the land.
 
johnnyat87 said:
Fair play for being honest and I agree entirely with your last point, we would be trying to justify it too.

The problem Newcastle fans have is they've shown plenty of faux outrage at Ashley for his Sports Direct practices etc. on a supposedly moral basis so in theory they have set a precedent, but I'm not sure many will continue it on.
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It's amazing what football does to people, a friend of mine, who regularly posts left wing stuff, human rights stuff, anti-Tory stuff, is jumping up and down and celebrating the possibility of the Saudis coming in. He's a decent and educated bloke but he is simply ignoring the true nature of that regime.

mag in peace said:
Nice to see the impartiality of Richard Keys..
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Keys is a horrible little ****. Terrible broadcaster. Sycophantic twat.

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Mrjardine said:
The value of both clubs are nowhere near the same amount of money either.
The same principal applies, if the tanks wants us that much they’ll come up with the goods, much the same as what you’re saying about the Arabs.
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Its the reasons behind it money is nothing to the Saudis
 
safc_grindon said:
It's a huge moral argument, and not one that I can honestly claim to know the answer to. And you're right, governments do look the other way - ours, the US, whoever - because they care more about money. You care more about football. And I get that, to some extent - but sportwashing is real. That's why they're here. PIF (not Staveley. She's just a front: a savvy business woman, joining dots to get rich quick) are buying NUFC for no other reason than to wash their image.

This is a deliberate attempt to deflect from absolutely appalling, daily atrocities.

Yemen, state-sponsored murder, the trashing of human-rights, gay rights (looking forward to some awkward looks on rainbow laces day), women's rights, I mean, it just goes on and on.

I just don't think you can be on here saying, oh, you lot didn't care, what about Sheff United, Chelsea, etc etc, when, for me, that's not the issue - that's just deflecting from saying, "I know it goes on. And I don't care. Top eight is more important" - which, I guess, is a bloody (no pun intended) hard statement to make. But your fight isn't with us, is it? It's with your own conscience.

And what does sit a little awkwardly in this, is you did have a conscience when it came to Fat Mike. You (the fan base) not only protested him, you protested his company, and had issues with his ways of working. Well, when you weren't winning, anyway. And the two aren't anywhere near comparable.

Now, would Sunderland fans suddenly gain a conscience if it was being thrown billions? The overwhelming vast majority, no, absolutely not. And I don't know what you'd do even if you did listen to what's "right". But you do need to stop pointing at other people - Sheff United, Labour, etc - as justification for what's happening. The Saudi stink is yours now, and will always be there - but maybe you won't notice/care if you sign Kylian Mbappe.


They absolutely are as wealthy as they claim to be. Unfathomable wealth. The head of the PIF has a painting worth more than Newcastle United.
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Tremendous post that.
 
sksk3021 said:
How isn't it? Rich people want a club, they could afford to pay the asking price without any trouble but didn't/haven't.
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Totally different levels of wealth and the reasoning behind it.

They are after a better reputation and dont mind splashing cash to get it.
 
BigPeter said:
Its the reasons behind it money is nothing to the Saudis
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its an investment fund..they have to achieve a targeted return each year or else..and this has been a tough year for them..ie they need a few good ones after the recent run of absolute shit in which they have invested..
 
BigPeter said:
Its the reasons behind it money is nothing to the Saudis
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The combined wealth of this FPP lot were in the billions yes? The cash required to buy Sunderland was as much a drop in the ocean for them surely as buying mags would be for the Arabs.
Maybe FPP aren’t that bothered after all.
 
Let's face it, in our time (I'm 47) we've seen owners of footy clubs go from local businessesmen to sovereign wealth of nations. Fans don't matter at a local level anymore. I was explaining to a NUFC fan a while back that ashley could mitigate a total boycott just by selling another Perez. 50,000 x £500 quid ST = 25 mil.

This Saudi lot are backed by 320 thousand million dollars. Obviously they won't have access to all of it, but if an advisor reckons 500 mil is a decent bet for global success then they're asking for only 0.15% of their fund. I read somewhere that the prince has paintings worth more than NUFC.

Strange days indeed.
 
Mrjardine said:
The combined wealth of this FPP lot were in the billions yes? The cash required to buy Sunderland was as much a drop in the ocean for them surely as buying mags would be for the Arabs.
Maybe FPP aren’t that bothered after all.
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Is this just a way of you putting a downer on the FPP as you have all along?

Your a strange so called fan.
 
Mrjardine said:
The combined wealth of this FPP lot were in the billions yes? The cash required to buy Sunderland was as much a drop in the ocean for them surely as buying mags would be for the Arabs.
Maybe FPP aren’t that bothered after all.
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sunderland could cost £200m betwee purchase price ad getting to premier league..and doesnt make a profit in premier league..
thats a crap deal for anyone..

newcastle is already in the premier league..and makes a profit...very different conotations..
 
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