A victory for freedom of speech.... and sanity

Hep said:
There is a fine line, Unless your debating in a respectful way, it’s not ok to just spout abuse. Your example is gray to be fair unless it’s backed by some facts.the tweet was just abusive, nothing being debated, it was just designed to cause offence.
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Its okay to be a twat though cos we have to respect the twats right to freedom of speech.. We can hate what is said, and think the person is a twat, but theyre still allowed to say it. Freedom of speech allows twats to be abusive
 


Hep said:
discussion about an issue is fine, is there an issue with people just being trans-gender.

Talk about toilet access and other logistical issues by all means, but to have a go for the sake of it, is not discussion.
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Yes there are many issues with people just being transgender.
Your second point depends on the definition of having a go.
 
Edinburgh Black Cat said:
You can switch your own twitter off but doesn't switch off everyone elses. Let's say for example there was a tweet saying "x is a ****/nonce/thief/whatever".

Turning off your twitter doesn't solve that problem does it?

That tweet goes viral and your business is down the pan, kids getting picked on at school, folk looking at you funny when you go to the pub etc. etc.
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There are laws on defamation.
Curlyteeth said:
Can you tell us what the issue is with someone having a sex change
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Plenty of issues.
Puberty blockers for kids. Women in sport. The cost. Using surgery to combat mental illness. Men invading women's spaces. Bogs/prisons/award ceremonies etc Pronouns.
self identification of gender. Loads of stuff to discuss.
I'm not too fussed about it but do think society is having trouble with accommodating the phenomena.
 
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Harry Angstrom said:
There are laws on defamation.

Plenty of issues.
Puberty blockers for kids. Women in sport. The cost. Using surgery to combat mental illness. Men invading women's spaces. Bogs/prisons/award ceremonies etc Pronouns.
self identification of gender. Loads of stuff to discuss.
I'm not too fussed about it but do think society is having trouble with accommodating the phenomena.
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I think the problem is I am fussed cos I know someone who has had a sex change and I know how incredibly hard their life has been. So the way people talk about stuff on here slightly does my head in. I should probably just ignore it all
 
Curlyteeth said:
Its okay to be a twat though cos we have to respect the twats right to freedom of speech.. We can hate what is said, and think the person is a twat, but theyre still allowed to say it. Freedom of speech allows twats to be abusive
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This.

The police and the legal system have no place getting involved in hurt feelings and deciding what is and isn't an acceptable opinion.

There's no free speech if it only applies to things that everyone agrees with.
 
Harry Angstrom said:
There are laws on defamation.

Plenty of issues.
Puberty blockers for kids. Women in sport. The cost. Using surgery to combat mental illness. Men invading women's spaces. Bogs/prisons/award ceremonies etc Pronouns.
self identification of gender. Loads of stuff to discuss.
I'm not too fussed about it but do think society is having trouble with accommodating the phenomena.
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Agreed, loads to figure out. None of it helped by abusive tweets.
Hulkster said:
This.

The police and the legal system have no place getting involved in hurt feelings and deciding what is and isn't an acceptable opinion.

There's no free speech if it only applies to things that everyone agrees with.
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So we can start singing racists song at football matches again?
 
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Hep said:
Agreed, loads to figure out. None of it helped by abusive tweets.

So we can start singing racists song at football matches again?
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Anyone doing that should be ejected from the ground and banned. And if it's persistent or involves a large number of fans, the club severely punished.

Surprised to learn you used to sing racist songs to be honest, never done it myself.
 
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Harry Angstrom said:
There are laws on defamation.

Plenty of issues.
Puberty blockers for kids. Women in sport. The cost. Using surgery to combat mental illness. Men invading women's spaces. Bogs/prisons/award ceremonies etc Pronouns.
self identification of gender. Loads of stuff to discuss.
I'm not too fussed about it but do think society is having trouble with accommodating the phenomena.
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You've missed the point. Defamation or not, you can't just 'turn off twitter'. Look at Caroline Flack. Horrible example but relevant nonetheless.
 
Harry Angstrom said:
Most social media is a tsunami of utter shite. Jot sure what you can do about it.

What is the point I've missed?
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'For example if I was stood outside your house shouting i think you're a cvnt.... that's harrassment, arrest me

If I wrote on my twitter page I think you're a cvnt, that's rude but it's freedom of speech'

People are (arguably disproportionately) impacted by things that are posted on twitter. It's not as simple as saying turn it off.
 
Hulkster said:
Anyone doing that should be ejected from the ground and banned. And if it's persistent or involves a large number of fans, the club severely punished.

Surprised to learn you used to sing racist songs to be honest, never done it myself.
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So why is it ok to be abusive on a different medium?
Edinburgh Black Cat said:
'For example if I was stood outside your house shouting i think you're a cvnt.... that's harrassment, arrest me

If I wrote on my twitter page I think you're a cvnt, that's rude but it's freedom of speech'

People are (arguably disproportionately) impacted by things that are posted on twitter. It's not as simple as saying turn it off.
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Both are harassment.
 
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Edinburgh Black Cat said:
'For example if I was stood outside your house shouting i think you're a cvnt.... that's harrassment, arrest me

If I wrote on my twitter page I think you're a cvnt, that's rude but it's freedom of speech'

People are (arguably disproportionately) impacted by things that are posted on twitter. It's not as simple as saying turn it off.
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As I said. What can you do about it? If it is harassment then the authorities can step in but it may be easier to fine twitter £1m for every breach and then they would find ways of changing their publishing policy.
 
Hulkster said:
What is "ok" and what is (or ought to be) illegal are two very different things.
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Given the current focus on mental health, I think anything that is abusive and likely to harm someone’s state of mind should be controlled.

peoples well being is more important than the right to troll on twitter.
 
Hep said:
Given the current focus on mental health, I think anything that is abusive and likely to harm someone’s state of mind should be controlled.

peoples well being is more important than the right to troll on twitter.
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Whilst I agree with you I some ways, you'll just get people shouting snowflake at the complainers. Also what about some right wing dicks state of mind. We'd need to care about that aswell. Who'd make the rules
 
Hep said:
Given the current focus on mental health, I think anything that is abusive and likely to harm someone’s state of mind should be controlled.

peoples well being is more important than the right to troll on twitter.
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Go on the politics forum on here and there is some serious abuse going on, there are some absolute vile people.
I just find it amusing.
 

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