We DON’T want a Director of Football



Agreed, you will get no disagreement from me, this is the moment right now to get it done, i know we have had to mistakes before, but that was in the premier league, which is basically the end of the process, we started at that point, now we have a chance to totally change every aspect of the football club, and build something for the long term, and then Rise like a phoenix from the ashes.

I think that point was when we went down and the new owners completely missed the cue.

They went for a bounce instead of an overall change in club ethos. That's why I am as frustrated with them as I am.

There was no better time to set our sights long term, expectations were at there lowest, everything changed last January when the ownership showed what they are about, spending more than everyone else for short term gain.
Why do people keep talking about a good DoF?
What makes you think we have the people with enough nous to appoint a good one?
And what makes you think a good one would be happy to take on a L1 job?

I have little faith in them appointing a good one.

However, "good" ones are available to League one clubs. Reed and Walsh already stated were deeply involved in their clubs revival.

Paul Mitchell, Liepzig's current chief scout was once an MK Dons scout, we just need to identify the right person before they're at big clubs.
 
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I think that point was when we went down and the new owners completely missed the cue.

They went for a bounce instead of an overall change in club ethos. That's why I am as frustrated with them as I am.

There was no better time to set our sights long term, expectations were at there lowest, everything changed last January when the ownership showed what they are about, spending more than everyone else for short term gain.

I agree, they are proving themselves incapable, it seems of running the club in the correct way, but then again i doubt ideas like DOF's professional scouting and sport science have made their way as far as the non leagues at this point. it seems a challenge to keep the players 100% match fit at the moment, you have to look back to pre season to see that, a total waste of time and a massive cock up, which we are paying for now.
 
Mind, I can see it now

SD: 'After a great deal of thought and conversations with potential applicants we are proud to announce Richard Hill as our Director of Football. His record of success speaks for itself and comes with 3 glowing references from myself. I hope all our fans wish him well.'

CM: 'The fans have been vocal in their want for long term strategic planning and in particular a DoF. We gave the fans what they wanted.'
 
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Mind, I can see it now

SD: 'After a great deal of thought and conversations with potential applicants we are proud to announce Richard Hill as our Director of Football. His record of success speaks for itself and comes with 3 glowing references from myself. I hope all our fans wish him well.'

CM: 'The fans have been vocal in their want for long term strategic planning and in particular a DoF. We gave the fans what they wanted.'

Oh and by the way, were shutting down the academy to pay for it as we simply can't compete in league one and it was no longer economically viable.
 
We need a vision, a proper plan for how we want be be ran and hopefully be successful. This wont happen under current ownership though

We are far to short term in our thinking and at best that only brings short term success (or in our case no success at all). Some parts of the club are the envy of most in this league and quite a few teams from the leagues above as well but it doesnt matter unless we are ran properly and we havent been for a long time

We should be looking at how teams like barnsley and brentford are ran and taking the best bits / bits that suit us but we will keep plodding on under SD as he doesnt know how to put the proper things in place
 
Been reading quite a few articles and people suggesting recently this is a good idea for us because of the mess we are in. I personally don’t think it’s the answer. All they end up doing is treading on the managers toes and signing players the manager doesn’t want which is a recipe for disaster. What we need is to appoint a good manager, which good scouts in place and back him in the transfer market. Forget director of football. And no parkinson isn’t a good manager.

You don't speak on behalf of everyone. I think we do, providing it's the right person.
 
The club needs to establish what it wants to be football wise. Do we want a team that plays on the floor or do we want a team that hoofs it forward and gets in your face. Once that’s established, every team within the club from juniors up to first team should be taught to play the same way and players brought in at all levels should be brought in to be effective in that set up. In theory players should come through being able to play in teams at any level knowing how to play their position and what the expectations of them in the team are. This then needs every coach within the club playing and coaching to the same systems and standards. Any new coaches brought in should be brought in because they have their teams successful at playing the way Sunderland play.

The issues we’ve had for years are massively down to chopping and changing managers and players each of who don’t fit the previous managers thoughts and styles.

The difficult bit is deciding what we want to be and being patient enough for it to come good
 
Been reading quite a few articles and people suggesting recently this is a good idea for us because of the mess we are in. I personally don’t think it’s the answer. All they end up doing is treading on the managers toes and signing players the manager doesn’t want which is a recipe for disaster. What we need is to appoint a good manager, which good scouts in place and back him in the transfer market. Forget director of football. And no parkinson isn’t a good manager.
This club is a disaster on decision making not in the Long game always short term thinking. Love the club but I am sure take a beating following SAFC
 
The club needs to establish what it wants to be football wise. Do we want a team that plays on the floor or do we want a team that hoofs it forward and gets in your face. Once that’s established, every team within the club from juniors up to first team should be taught to play the same way and players brought in at all levels should be brought in to be effective in that set up. In theory players should come through being able to play in teams at any level knowing how to play their position and what the expectations of them in the team are. This then needs every coach within the club playing and coaching to the same systems and standards. Any new coaches brought in should be brought in because they have their teams successful at playing the way Sunderland play.

The issues we’ve had for years are massively down to chopping and changing managers and players each of who don’t fit the previous managers thoughts and styles.

The difficult bit is deciding what we want to be and being patient enough for it to come good

Like you say, its incredibly important to have the same ethos running throughout the football club. Paul Reid said it was impossible to plan for the future due to a new first-team manager may be appointed and want to change the way things work, that's just happened and it is the antithesis of how a successful football club operates.
 
A good DOF , as said previously, helps the manager . They communicate about scouting and what the remit is for a type of player to fit into the system. Good DOF's are usually ex players ofcourse. Anyone who thinks we don't need one is thinking league one, league two, conference. Make no mistake, lots of lower league clubs have a DOF. Fleetwood have had one for years and their recruitment is superior to ours. Their loan players this season have been hand picked for specific roles and been superb. Soutter from Stoke and Coutts from Sheff Utd in particular. They have pushed the boat out for strikers wage wise with Evans and Madden.

Embarrassed to say they are far better run club than Sunderland. The relatively new training centre has brilliant pitches measured to fit the size of their ground and of the quality of Wembley stadium, without exaggeration. They also have two 4G full sized ones , along with 5 a side 4g courts. They utilise these facilities with the locals and make a lot of extra cash. What a sorry mess to say they will be firm favourites on New Years Day !! I played for them years ago whilst watching SAFC when I could. Never though I'd see the day they are superior, which has been transitional for them infrastructure wise as ours has just collapsed then been ripped apart to the point where it doesn't really exist.

So we should have a DOF if we want to do things as professional as possible. Donald said himself he didn't really believe in sports science or sports technology. Can you imagine Allardyce or anyone worth their salt being happy with that amateur approach. That si what we are up against, if the man at the top is not keeping up with the modern game.

:neutral:I'd expect to see us at around 4/1 or 7/2 to win at Fleetwood in a league game come New Year. Let that sink in. :neutral:
 
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Stew should be offering as much of they lovely £10m he’s just been given to Brian Marwood in an attempt to get him to join as sporting director.

Sack Parky and let Marwood appoint a new head coach, NOT A MANAGER, and let them focus on coaching and tactics.

Piece of piss. We’ll be back in the Prem this time next year - it’s that easy
 
Been reading quite a few articles and people suggesting recently this is a good idea for us because of the mess we are in. I personally don’t think it’s the answer. All they end up doing is treading on the managers toes and signing players the manager doesn’t want which is a recipe for disaster. What we need is to appoint a good manager, which good scouts in place and back him in the transfer market. Forget director of football. And no parkinson isn’t a good manager.

you could be a tad late with this one mate !!
 
Been reading quite a few articles and people suggesting recently this is a good idea for us because of the mess we are in. I personally don’t think it’s the answer. All they end up doing is treading on the managers toes and signing players the manager doesn’t want which is a recipe for disaster. What we need is to appoint a good manager, which good scouts in place and back him in the transfer market. Forget director of football. And no parkinson isn’t a good manager.

I think your missing what a dof does
 

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