Gunfire on London Bridge

THELORDRODWELL said:
He wasn’t imported, he’s british and from stoke iirc

Just like Robbie Williams
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I'm certainly all for people of immigrant backgrounds to identify as British and English, be it black, asian, eastern european, Irish etc. And if they do so they are as British anyone else.

But if people of second generation immigrant backgrounds refuse to identify as British or refuse to integrate, then to me they simply aren't British. Your nationality is what you think you are within reason (i.e. able to obtain citizenship), but its clear most of these terrorists have no interest in being British so its not surprising natives aren't going to consider them either? Why should they? What would the terrorist consider himself to be? Are his loyalties with the UK? Clearly not.

Britain is a welcoming nation for people of all backgrounds, but there is at least some onus on those of immigrant backgrounds to actually identify as British and have some allegiancies to it.
 
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PNEFC111 said:
Correct - however the Parole Board have to, well , Parole or they are out of a job. They have to demonstrate they are doing their jobs by default.

I sometimes think they take way too many risks rather err on the side of caution and the figures back this up.
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what could the parole board have done differently here, do you think?
 
PNEFC111 said:
Yes the Parole Board , highly paid so called experts , considered he wasn’t a threat to the public.

They were wrong.

They are taxpayer funded and have a duty not only to rehabilitate but to protect the public.

They failed on both counts.

These f***ing useless baboons will live in nice houses with security in nice neighbourhoods wholly unaffected by their actions.

They are detached from reality and should be charged. Just like the rest of us would.
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If you bothered to even read this tread let alone a paper you'd see the parole board had issued a statement saying they had zero input in his release
 
Titus said:
Wow. Not good.

How did his license allow him in the area of a similar terror attack in recent years? Surely such people should be on some sort of priority tag where the moment they step out of their tag zone a manhunt ensues.
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His tag would have shown him to be exactly where he should have been at an offenders meeting beside the bridge
 
luvulongtime said:
His tag would have shown him to be exactly where he should have been at an offenders meeting beside the bridge
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Well that just brings it back to the first question then, why the fuck did his license allow him to be there? Insane oversight by somebody.
 
Falconhoof said:
There was obviously a reason they f***ing shot him as soon as they dragged the other bloke off man. You're blatantly on a trolling wind up and this thread isn't the place to do it. Innocent people have died ffs.
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Wtf are you talking about man thick heed the belt wasn’t reported was it at first and the initial video looked like the shot him on the ground I fully agree with shooting him dead having found out he had a belt on
 
Sandboy said:
If you bothered to even read this tread let alone a paper you'd see the parole board had issued a statement saying they had zero input in his release
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Fair enough - scratch the Parole Board and add some f***ing halfwit.

Someone somewhere has authorised his release and need to take responsibility for that decision.

It might just focus them next time they can’t wait to release a madman.
 
PNEFC111 said:
Yes the Parole Board , highly paid so called experts , considered he wasn’t a threat to the public.

They were wrong.

They are taxpayer funded and have a duty not only to rehabilitate but to protect the public.

They failed on both counts.

These f***ing useless baboons will live in nice houses with security in nice neighbourhoods wholly unaffected by their actions.

They are detached from reality and should be charged. Just like the rest of us would.
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Once the Appeal Court changed his sentence from indeterminate to a fixed period, the Parole Board's hands are tied. As long as it is his first time in prison and he has behaved while in prison, then he is automatically entitled to release at First Parole (half sentence served). If he has been in prison before that automatic parole date would be Second Parole which is 2/3rds the sentence, in this case 12 years. This is the law and there is nothing the Parole Board can do about that.

The problem has been the changing of the sentence at the Appeal from indeterminate to 16 years fixed. That changed the criteria for release form being rehabilitated to simply behaving while in prison.
 
Mercia Blackcat said:
Once the Appeal Court changed his sentence from indeterminate to a fixed period, the Parole Board's hands are tied. As long as it is his first time in prison and he has behaved while in prison, then he is automatically entitled to release at First Parole (half sentence served). If he has been in prison before that automatic parole date would be Second Parole which is 2/3rds the sentence, in this case 12 years. This is the law and there is nothing the Parole Board can do about that.

The problem has been the changing of the sentence at the Appeal from indeterminate to 16 years fixed. That changed the criteria for release form being rehabilitated to simply behaving while in prison.
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Thanks for that insight - appreciated.

Now let’s find the fucktard who brought this law in.

And charge them.
The Albanian said:
ITS THE LAW FFS

How many times does it need to be repeated. It wasn’t a decision made by a person.
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Someone championed this law - hands up please.

It needs repealing or whatever they do.
 
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Hep said:
What do we do about the right wing terrorism? Should be just ignore that? Or, how about this crazy idea I have... Maybe's it not the country, religion or cult but the extremists that all sections of society have. Let's find them and not tar brush the lot.
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Right wing terrorism? Im pretty sure if we add up recent death tolls and attacks that islamist attacks will beat right wing terrorism in this country.

I agree dont tar all muslims. But normal muslims are getting threw under the bus a bit because no one will challenge the extremists in their religion. Everytime someone says something negative about islam they are called islamophobic and racist.

This helps nobody because non muslims then take issue with any muslim and the religion has a whole.

You cant keep saying but what about right wingers, islamophobia, brits in spain, china killing muslims everytime some islamist kills someone. Its excusing what is quite clearly the main problem is in this country.
 
PNEFC111 said:
Jeez - we are giving them coffee and cake as well ?
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Well first of all it wasn't simply an offenders meeting. It was a conference organised by Cambridge University's Learning Together initiative. This conference would have been attended by criminologists, lecturers, students and ex-cons. I accept it is speculation but it appears that staff attending the conference were targeted. It would appear to have been an attack on the Initiative itself and perhaps the terrorist didn't like any work they have been doing in rehabilitating Muslim extremists. We'll probably never know as the bloke is dead.
 
PNEFC111 said:
The statistics say otherwise - perhaps not central but the place generally is a dangerous cess pit.

That saddens me tbh.
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Total nonsense. There are one or two places I'd probably pick to not go to but I'd have places like them in every large city in the world.

I choose to walk and explore all over London and never feel fearful for my safety
 
Hep said:
Check the stats, you’ll find that the % of Muslims committing terrorist attacks is no different to others.

www.google.com

US terror attacks are increasingly motivated by right-wing views

Suspicious packages were found near the offices of prominent Democrats today, including Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
www.google.com www.google.com
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1 in every 100 muslims in the UK are on the watchlist for being Islamic extremists. So a few for every Mosque. There's no way there's that many Hindu/Christian/Jewish extremists. If there was the same % of terror attacks from all religions then Islami attacks should only be once in every 15 attacks or so. But clearly there not.
 

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