When Dennis Tueart wanted a move away



Not sure if it’s the game you are after but remembered him getting sent off with Bobby Kerr just after half time against Boro. Looked like he wanted to kill the ref. That the one?
 
I wasn't aware that there was a game like that. I remember being a bit taken aback when I saw it reported on the telly that he was leaving, but then I was a naive young thing at the time. Also, I thought that a significant issue was the government's wage controls in place at the time that meant that the only way he could get a significant pay increase was to move to another club. Or a meringue.
 
Rob said:
Not sure if it’s the game you are after but remembered him getting sent off with Bobby Kerr just after half time against Boro. Looked like he wanted to kill the ref. That the one?
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nope, I seem to remember that he could have run for a ball but didn’t and I’m pretty sure he was put on the transfer list afterwards, it would have been a game down south somewhere
 
hertsmackem said:
nope, I seem to remember that he could have run for a ball but didn’t and I’m pretty sure he was put on the transfer list afterwards, it would have been a game down south somewhere
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Bloody marvellous Google.

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Stokoe, Sunderland and 73

50th anniversary edition of the story of the team that caused the last, great FA Cup upset...'Times have changed but this book is an engrossing reminder for all fans' INDEPENDENT ON SUNDAY'An essential piece of British football history for fans of any club. Brilliantly researched and written...
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Extract from Lance Hardys excellent book Stokoe, Sunderland and 73. Got it in the house somewhere. Bristol City away ?
 
hertsmackem said:
Was anyone at the game when his effort was rather questionable and who was it against? Anyone remember?
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I remember feeling so let down when he left, only about seven or eight but him and Billy Hughes were my first favourite SAFC players.
Can't remember at the time but remember hearing later that he made it clear he wanted to move on?

Not sure if that helps you mate, just reminiscing about how SAFC teaches you disappointment early in life.

;) :(
 
Rob said:
Bloody marvellous Google.

books.google.co.uk

Stokoe, Sunderland and 73

50th anniversary edition of the story of the team that caused the last, great FA Cup upset...'Times have changed but this book is an engrossing reminder for all fans' INDEPENDENT ON SUNDAY'An essential piece of British football history for fans of any club. Brilliantly researched and written...
books.google.co.uk

Extract from Lance Hardys excellent book Stokoe, Sunderland and 73. Got it in the house somewhere. Bristol City away ?
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Can’t open Google here Rob can u copy and paste it please )
Rob said:
Bloody marvellous Google.

books.google.co.uk

Stokoe, Sunderland and 73

50th anniversary edition of the story of the team that caused the last, great FA Cup upset...'Times have changed but this book is an engrossing reminder for all fans' INDEPENDENT ON SUNDAY'An essential piece of British football history for fans of any club. Brilliantly researched and written...
books.google.co.uk

Extract from Lance Hardys excellent book Stokoe, Sunderland and 73. Got it in the house somewhere. Bristol City away ?
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Can’t open Google here Rob can u copy and paste it please )
 
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dennis was told to jump in there off he went with horswill ,ended up scotch corner didnt even know what team he was going to for talks till they got there
 
I was only a youngen, but was told he basically went on strike on the pitch at Bristol City away, wouldn't run. tackle, didn't want the ball and just went through the motions. He was sold fairly soon after.
I'd sure some even older farts than me can confirm
 
hertsmackem said:
Can’t open Google here Rob can u copy and paste it please )
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Here you are, typed out by hand as I couldn't suss out how to copy and paste from Google - just call it a pint ;)

This was Sunderland's eighth Cup match of the season but now there was just one knockout competition left - the FA Cup. Stokoe had unquestionably caught up with Cup fever once again. The Second Division table was suddenly a sobering sight after the European campaign and the League Cup run had both been abruptly ended.

Between crashing out of both of these competitions that autumn Sunderland had been dealt another blow in some ways a mightier one: Tueart had asked to be put on the transfer list. After scoring a hat trick in a 4-1 win over Swindon Town and netting again in a 3-0 win over Bolton Wanderers - the first back to back wins in the league for the club that season - the player had been subdued in the 2-0 defeat at Ashton Gate against Bristol City and made his decision later that evening. He handed in a written transfer request shortly afterwards.

This was a few days before Sunderland played Liverpool. A shocked Stokoe announced that Tueaart could leave the club the day before the match. 'He wants First Divsion football and is not prepared to scrap it out with us' he said. 'I am very disappointed with him." Tueart responded by saying 'I am not playing top-class football and I am ambitious. If there was the guarantee that First Division would come at the end of the season that would be fair enough but I am fed up with ifs buts and whens.'

Here's the game and it would seem likely based on @englishman abroad account its the right one

Sunderland AFC - Statistics, History and Records - from TheStatCat

Sunderland AFC - comprehensive statistics, history and records presented by TheStatCat
www.thestatcat.co.uk
 
I seem to recall that there was some sort of bust up between him and Ian Porterfield at the time..Either them or their wives after a night out.. It never did get explained.

The transfer to City, they offered a great price for Dennis and Horswill was a make up/ included I also recall despite what he say nowadays. A sad day for me and he was a pleasure to watch..
 
molthemackem said:
I seem to recall that there was some sort of bust up between him and Ian Porterfield at the time..Either them or their wives after a night out.. It never did get explained.

The transfer to City, they offered a great price for Dennis and Horswill was a make up/ included I also recall despite what he say nowadays. A sad day for me and he was a pleasure to watch..
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favourite ever player.The club did not show enough ambition after the cup final.
I think the only signing of note was Rod Belfitt who was a knackered Leeds reject not as good as anything we had.
He was international class and he was being held back both professionally by the club and financially by the circumstances of the time ( law on max wage and increases to keep lid on inflation).
Remembering these were times of 3 day weeks and going home on a night time to sit in candle light and play board games.
The book says he was subdued, but you can’t compare players of that time with today. They lived in the same semis as everyone else and had a career of selling insurance, working as a brewery rep or running a pub to look forward to.
Don’t judge them by today’s standards. Players in those days were incredibly loyal and Tueart would have beenplaying first team football about 6-7 years by then, and been on coppers.
 
Rob said:
Here you are, typed out by hand as I couldn't suss out how to copy and paste from Google - just call it a pint ;)

This was Sunderland's eighth Cup match of the season but now there was just one knockout competition left - the FA Cup. Stokoe had unquestionably caught up with Cup fever once again. The Second Division table was suddenly a sobering sight after the European campaign and the League Cup run had both been abruptly ended.

Between crashing out of both of these competitions that autumn Sunderland had been dealt another blow in some ways a mightier one: Tueart had asked to be put on the transfer list. After scoring a hat trick in a 4-1 win over Swindon Town and netting again in a 3-0 win over Bolton Wanderers - the first back to back wins in the league for the club that season - the player had been subdued in the 2-0 defeat at Ashton Gate against Bristol City and made his decision later that evening. He handed in a written transfer request shortly afterwards.

This was a few days before Sunderland played Liverpool. A shocked Stokoe announced that Tueaart could leave the club the day before the match. 'He wants First Divsion football and is not prepared to scrap it out with us' he said. 'I am very disappointed with him." Tueart responded by saying 'I am not playing top-class football and I am ambitious. If there was the guarantee that First Division would come at the end of the season that would be fair enough but I am fed up with ifs buts and whens.'

Here's the game and it would seem likely based on @englishman abroad account its the right one

Sunderland AFC - Statistics, History and Records - from TheStatCat

Sunderland AFC - comprehensive statistics, history and records presented by TheStatCat
www.thestatcat.co.uk
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I was only a bairn mate, it is the account some of the older fans I know who were at the game, gave me. Certainly all stacks up.
 
hertsmackem said:
Was anyone at the game when his effort was rather questionable and who was it against? Anyone remember?
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Bloody hell we are even finding negative spin on here against legends of 50 years ago... sack SD it’s his fault. ;)

Seriously as an example to understand the times and how it impacted on footballers it’s an interesting story.
Tueart dug his heels in to leave, and went on to play for city and England. Billy Hughes stayed put. Hughes ended up with a testimonial where no one turned up and he was left in tears at making nothing from the game. The lads who stayed loyal were paid peanuts ... but even then Tueart was playing first team football for 6-7 years before he left to better himself, he was hardly mercenary.
 
It was after the Bristol game, Stokoe publicly bollocked him.
He asked for a transfer, club offered him more money even Roseberry offered him cash to stay, Shepherd came in for him even to sign for the mags
 
Chewit said:
favourite ever player.The club did not show enough ambition after the cup final.
I think the only signing of note was Rod Belfitt who was a knackered Leeds reject not as good as anything we had.
He was international class and he was being held back both professionally by the club and financially by the circumstances of the time ( law on max wage and increases to keep lid on inflation).
Remembering these were times of 3 day weeks and going home on a night time to sit in candle light and play board games.
The book says he was subdued, but you can’t compare players of that time with today. They lived in the same semis as everyone else and had a career of selling insurance, working as a brewery rep or running a pub to look forward to.
Don’t judge them by today’s standards. Players in those days were incredibly loyal and Tueart would have beenplaying first team football about 6-7 years by then, and been on coppers.
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He was a mag remember but having said that always a pleasure to watch and one of my favourites
 

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