The time has come for football to start asking some difficult questions about remembrance



It's curious that "respect" is so much the watchword of Remembrance yet so many of the commemorative items trivialise what is a sombre occasion as each year a tackier undignified plastic poppy or poppy outfit is deemed an acceptable way of recognising those who died in war and people strive to be "poppier than thou". Some of the examples in the article are just crass - that outfit is beyond words.
 
Article is bang on the money, as are some of the replies. Its more like red nose day ffs!

The word "nauseating" used by a poster above, perfectly reflects my thoughts on it. Usually accompanied by an incredulous sneer, narrowing of my eyes, puff of my cheeks, and slow shake of my head.
 
Yes, how dare people remember the fallen in their own way.

Reminds me of this a few days ago:

"Football has pandered to this and does not seem to have grasped the absurdity of the situation. Jurgen Klopp wore a poppy last week at Villa Park. The Liverpool manager may well consider it important to pay tribute to Britain’s fallen soldiers – and the British Legion’s charity appeal widens the significance of the poppy from the First World War to every subsequent conflict. But it is almost comedic to see a German wearing one given the history between the two countries."

Who made these narrow minded arseholes the Rememberance Police?
 
Article is bang on the money, as are some of the replies. Its more like red nose day ffs!

The word "nauseating" used by a poster above, perfectly reflects my thoughts on it. Usually accompanied by an incredulous sneer, narrowing of my eyes, puff of my cheeks, and slow shake of my head.

The fact that through the deeds of the fallen you are allowed to write such crap is obviously lost on an amoeba like you, now fuck off back to Scunthorpe
 
 
Now that the 100th anniversary of 1918 has been and gone, I think we should celebrate it on the nearest Sunday and leave it at that. Today's observation was redundant, and also ironic, as the French pushed for the ceasefire to go back to 11:00 rather than 6:00 or 7;00 as it would be more 'memorable' - and thousands more died
This, the armistice was signed st 5am, instead of calling for a ceasefire asap they decided on 11 o clock.The governments at the time didn't give a fuck about the soldiers on the frontline.
 
Is that news paper taking the piss? Just because they are oversized poppies and people dressed up does not take away from the fact all the clubs involved are supporting those who have fallen and served, what do they want clubs to do? Remember those pictures from Liverpool would be going all over the world yesterday, what do the independent paper want clubs to do?

I’d imagine that a lot of people agree with me that the annual remembrance ceremony observed by millions for over a hundred years doesn’t need reinvention, crass gimmicks or alteration in the slightest.
 
Scoring political points off the back of a newspaper article about the symbolism of the poppy is (I think?) exactly what the writer is highlighting as an issue.

The Independent is hardly left wing, but don't let that get in the way of attacking the supposed political stance rather than engaging with what they're saying.

Just been reading the link from the independent, and it does ask some interesting questions, i think its got a lot to do with the last 6 years and maybe a little bit before that, maybe the questions raised do need thought, so in 25 years time, when the scale of events will be just as big, it doesn't begin to go over board with it all.
 
Remembering the fallen is/should be a private matter. It may well be that many of us do so at the same time, but it's not a corporate matter.
The overt clamour to 'care' and 'care more' on a corporate scale is quite distasteful in my opinion.

Of course, such is the current climate for political correctness, any criticism of any support for a good cause is frowned upon. It's all just a little bit fake to me.
 
Remembering the fallen is/should be a private matter. It may well be that many of us do so at the same time, but it's not a corporate matter.
The overt clamour to 'care' and 'care more' on a corporate scale is quite distasteful in my opinion.

Of course, such is the current climate for political correctness, any criticism of any support for a good cause is frowned upon. It's all just a little bit fake to me.

I would say its more a case of patriotic correct, as in people think somethings the matter with persons who don't have them on or do it in their own way and some get very upset about it, like the landlord from bristol yesterday refusing to serve people in his pub unless they had on or were will to buy a poppy, he should be praised for offering the service men free drink, but the rest of it seems a little bit to close to knuckle.
 
Just been reading the link from the independent, and it does ask some interesting questions, i think its got a lot to do with the last 6 years and maybe a little bit before that, maybe the questions raised do need thought, so in 25 years time, when the scale of events will be just as big, it doesn't begin to go over board with it all.

It's an opinion piece by one writer and its there to stimulate discussion and debate, and to be honest some of the knee jerk responses show that a debate around it would be healthy.

Remembrance has definitely morphed into something very different from 'a time for quiet reflection' into something altogether more about 'proving' something, and I'm very uncomfortable with the idea that quiet reflection isn't enough, and and it's starts getting conflated with patriotism, nationalism or even what your politics are.

And the fact that every year this board manages to show its respect for armistice day by engaging in the traditional "James McClean is / is not a c*nt" slanging match shows just how easy it is to use it as a stick to attack anyone you fancy.
 
It should be enough to show respect by wearing a poppy, observing the silence and maybe attending one of the public ceremonies on the designated day, traditionally the nearest Sunday to 11th November. Like the article says it’s the Daily Mail and their ilk in recent years turning it into some kind of stupid test.
 
It's an opinion piece by one writer and its there to stimulate discussion and debate, and to be honest some of the knee jerk responses show that a debate around it would be healthy.

Remembrance has definitely morphed into something very different from 'a time for quiet reflection' into something altogether more about 'proving' something, and I'm very uncomfortable with the idea that quiet reflection isn't enough, and and it's starts getting conflated with patriotism, nationalism or even what your politics are.

And the fact that every year this board manages to show its respect for armistice day by engaging in the traditional "James McClean is / is not a c*nt" slanging match shows just how easy it is to use it as a stick to attack anyone you fancy.

I don't think its just within this board, however i think its all going a little over the top in real life as well, the example used above that i said kind of goes along those lines, of course its just one occasion but i am sure if people went looking they would find other cases.
 
I don't think its just within this board, however i think its all going a little over the top in real life as well, the example used above that i said kind of goes along those lines, of course its just one occasion but i am sure if people went looking they would find other cases.

There's tons mate, the ones on the board were just more immediate.
 

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