“Sunderland are a lower league club”

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doodlebugs said:
reet on the button with that
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He’ll already be writing his next article on Ashley, or Benitez or how that feeling of being ‘a step Away. Just one step. We’re there. The stairs of the Gallowgate. The steps that lead to a lifetime of nervous anticipation. The steps that lead to Milburn. To Keegan. To the entertainers. They’re there. In front of me. The smell. The feeling in the air’ has been stolen from them.

And whilst they dine on nauseating nostalgia and how nasty Mike has stolen their dreams and there are six thousands empty seats each telling a story of heartbreaking sadness, Sunderland slide to third division mediocrity with all sorts of issues to get stuck into and shine a light on. Bollocks to them.
 


rocky said:
Appointing Parkinson had the opposite effect of getting the fans on side.
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Considering the other names banded about, I don't think he was the appointment a lot of fans wanted, but I think it's massively unfair to write him off before time.
Who's to say that the bloke from Doncaster or whoever else could have magically turned this around?
 
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The Sheepfolds End said:
He’s absolutely right. But whilst he and other local journalists will write article after article after article about the other club in Tyne and Wear, shining a light on the issues at that particular club, they will pay nothing more than lip service to the decline of our club and will stand by idly whilst it sinks. They do their utmost to protect the interests of one club and not the other. They’re complicit. But just you watch if we were to hit rock bottom and we were on the brink of administration or liquidation, these local journalists would turn up with righteous indignation at the club’s situation and take on the role of moral crusaders. Quite frankly, some of these local national journos can do one as far as I’m concerned.
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I'd love to see a journalist write a proper, in depth and researched article about what is/has happened to us over the last year and a half, and where we seem to be heading. The scouting, recruitment, jobs for Donald's mates, misuse of social media by the club and continued attitude that fans are expecting to much or need to be more patient is really alarming. We have went from being favourites for the league (start of last season) to an average mid table league 1 team in the space of a year, all the while being told that we have the biggest budget, best resources, top class academy, consistently crazy high attendances, spending millions on players, and owners saying that we are aiming for 100 points and the most professional club ever at this level etc... yet when you watch us actually play football in games, non of it adds up. Its mind boggling really
 
Keawyeds said:
Considering the other names banded about, I don't think he was the appointment a lot of fans wanted, but I think it's massively unfair to write him off before time.
Who's to say that the bloke from Doncaster or whoever else could have magically turned this around?
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I'm not writing him off either mate. Just seems Charlie knew the fans needed lifting and he/they appointed Phil Parkinson
 
rocky said:
Appointing Parkinson had the opposite effect of getting the fans on side.
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Probably true, and I for one hope Parkinson proves them wrong (to me the early signs are encouraging). However, there's an undeniable true core in what Methven is saying there. At the very least, it demonstrated that he's well aware of how the fans are feeling, and also that the only people who'll be able to change those views are the players and manager getting better results.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
Probably true, and I for one hope Parkinson proves them wrong (to me the early signs are encouraging). However, there's an undeniable true core in what Methven is saying there. At the very least, it demonstrated that he's well aware of how the fans are feeling, and also that the only people who'll be able to change those views are the players and manager getting better results.
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but what chance do they have when every part of the footballing operation, from top to bottom has been weakened at each available opportunity?
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
Probably true, and I for one hope Parkinson proves them wrong (to me the early signs are encouraging). However, there's an undeniable true core in what Methven is saying there. At the very least, it demonstrated that he's well aware of how the fans are feeling, and also that the only people who'll be able to change those views are the players and manager getting better results.
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But what if the players and manager are merely a symptom, marra? This continual abrogation of their own responsibility for on-field performance - either deliberate or due to their lack of football understanding - is an indicator of worse to come from Safc under them. Their thinking seems to go no further than to source players and a manager who’ve been promoted before, throw them together and expect a similar result. It’s naive to the point of negligence.
 
stewart10 said:
Talking to my mate, who's an Ipswich fan, and i said it's frustrating as we're being run like a run of the mill league one club.

To which he replied, but you are.
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We should expect and demand to get out of this league. Its not being arrogant. The fact is its our 3rd season in our history at this level and we have a financial advantage over everyone that so far hasn't beem utilised well. This idea of "accepting where you are" wouldn't be applied if Salford city got to the premier league. If their fans started saying after 1 season in the prem "we are a fully fledged Premier league club, weve cracked, no way should we be relegated." If they came out with that bullshit they'd rightly be criticised.
 
tunstallhill said:
I'd love to see a journalist write a proper, in depth and researched article about what is/has happened to us over the last year and a half, and where we seem to be heading. The scouting, recruitment, jobs for Donald's mates, misuse of social media by the club and continued attitude that fans are expecting to much or need to be more patient is really alarming. We have went from being favourites for the league (start of last season) to an average mid table league 1 team in the space of a year, all the while being told that we have the biggest budget, best resources, top class academy, consistently crazy high attendances, spending millions on players, and owners saying that we are aiming for 100 points and the most professional club ever at this level etc... yet when you watch us actually play football in games, non of it adds up. Its mind boggling really
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We should just accept our lot as far as most of the local national journos are concerned. They aren’t interested. And if they are, it’s no more than a passing interest.
 
Hawyatt Earp said:
Article in the Athletic from Caulkin:


Finished the article with this:
We are an average League 1 squad
"At one point in the game, Aiden McGeady, the Ireland international, shot too high and the ball hit a moving car beyond the open end of Oxford’s ground. It felt like nothing in particular and it also felt like something. There will come a moment when Sunderland stop being the biggest club in League One and simply become a League One club, no different from the rest. Perhaps it is already too late. Perhaps that was it."

How depressing
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Hawyatt Earp said:
Article in the Athletic from Caulkin:


Finished the article with this:

"At one point in the game, Aiden McGeady, the Ireland international, shot too high and the ball hit a moving car beyond the open end of Oxford’s ground. It felt like nothing in particular and it also felt like something. There will come a moment when Sunderland stop being the biggest club in League One and simply become a League One club, no different from the rest. Perhaps it is already too late. Perhaps that was it."

How depressing
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The longer we are in this league the more that becomes set in stone. That's why the owners should have funded better personnel in the summer, but they sat on their hands praying a worse squad would somehow do better than last years playoff lot.
 
rocky said:
I'm not writing him off either mate. Just seems Charlie knew the fans needed lifting and he/they appointed Phil Parkinson
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Which shows the days of placating the fans or disguising their cost-cutting intentions are absolutely over. I'm also sure the timing of the Twitter carry-on was pure coincidence.
Of course we need to operate within our means but it appears the cheap option is being taken above footballing reasons now
 
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