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I think the teams in League 1 (including us) are much of a muchness. That's one possible explanation as to why the league is so competitive and (with the current exception of Ipswich, but there's still time for that to change) why the results are so topsy-turvy. The tired line about us having the best squad in the division didn't stand up to scrutiny last season and with a weaker squad this season, it doesn't stand up again (remind me: how many of our players were in the League1 squad of the season again?). We failed last season, but by the slenderest of margins. It's tweaking we need, not radical surgery. Whether Ross can do it, I really don't know. But I do know we need the right reaction from the players, pdq.
What grates me though, and everyone can see it apart the people that count, we desperately needed pace and directness throughout the team in the summer and it wasn't addressed at all. Apart from Willis, who has a bit of pace and strength about him. And looks decent so far, imo.
 

The problem there is though you're probably going to have ask someone to step down to a level they're not too enthusiastic about. You could probably convince someone who see's it as long term project, but as it stands I doubt we can sell tham that.

I'm not sure. I'm thinking of someone with a strong presence/maybe standing in the game, someone positive in their approach who maybe comes in with a bit of authority.

Not necessarily talking about a long term forward thinking appointment or maybe even a proven manager. Someone like Pearson might fit the bill, but then maybe there are former players who could come in as the figurehead with support around them, especially if we retain the current crap way of recruitment. After all who says a manager in the SPL or League One has the requirements to get SAFC out of league one?

Clearly our options are limited at this level - would Ball, Phillips really have been worse than Ross given the resources and available players? Someone mentioned Nicky Butt before - maybe they weren't serious, maybe they were but look at how Bowyer fell into the role at Charlton, got the club together despite the turmoil in the background and got it promoted. I think there's a lot to be said at this level for just getting everyone on side/together and being positive.
 
What grates me though, and everyone can see it apart the people that count, we desperately needed pace and directness throughout the team in the summer and it wasn't addressed at all. Apart from Willis, who has a bit of pace and strength about him. And looks decent so far, imo.
Yes, I agree. I like what I've seen of Willis so far. Lynch & De Bock both looked like a step up, until Lincoln. Still, they've had two out of three good games each. They weren't the only ones to play poorly on Saturday.Their next performances may give us a better idea of how good (or otherwise) they might be.

The point you make about pace, in particular, is spot on. I don't know what the precise arrangement is between Ross and Hill/Coton, but my impression is that the former gets what he's given. Quite how that issue wasn't addressed is strange, but it's been a problem with us for many years now. We've either had little or no pace in the team or on the odd occasion we've had pace, it's been of the headless chicken variety. That said, it's change of pace rather than pace per se that damages the opposition, especially if allied to intelligent change of direction. McGeady & Maguire can do that, to a lesser degree so can Gooch.

I'm moving closer to the notion that too many of our players can't handle the emotional/psychological aspect of playing for our team. Like it or not, all our games in League1 are "big games" both in terms of how we're perceived by our opponents (teams & fans alike) & in terms of playing before a large, expectant home crowd. Some players don't possess what you might call the "big game mentality" & without it, they're not going to succeed, for us (although they might well thrive elsewhere), and I'm not sure that any amount of coaching can put that right. I think it's something you either have or you don't.
 
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I think there's a lot to be said at this level for just getting everyone on side/together and being positive.

Worryingly Benno said after Saturday that he felt there’s something not right in the dressing room.
If Ross has lost the players things are going to deteriorate further
 
Yes, I agree. I like what I've seen of Willis so far. Lynch & De Bock both looked like a step up, until Lincoln. Still, they've had two out of three good games each. They weren't the only ones to play poorly on Saturday.Their next performances may give us a better idea of how good (or otherwise) they might be.

The point you make about pace, in particular, is spot on. I don't know what the precise arrangement is between Ross and Hill/Coton, but my impression is that the former gets what he's given. Quite how that issue wasn't addressed is strange, but it's been a problem with us for many years now. We've either had little or no pace in the team or on the odd occasion we've had pace, it's been of the headless chicken variety. That said, it's change of pace rather than pace per se that damages the opposition, especially if allied to intelligent change of direction. McGeady & Maguire can do that, to a lesser degree so can Gooch.

I'm moving closer to the notion that too many of our players can't handle the emotional/psychological aspect of playing for our team. Like it or not, all our games in League1 are "big games" both in terms of how we're perceived by our opponents (teams & fans alike) & in terms of playing before a large, expectant home crowd. Some players don't possess what you might call the "big game mentality" & without it, they're not going to succeed, for us (although they might well thrive elsewhere), and I'm not sure that any amount of coaching can put that right. I think it's something you either have or you don't.
Agreed. Good post.
 
Yes, I agree. I like what I've seen of Willis so far. Lynch & De Bock both looked like a step up, until Lincoln. Still, they've had two out of three good games each. They weren't the only ones to play poorly on Saturday.Their next performances may give us a better idea of how good (or otherwise) they might be.

The point you make about pace, in particular, is spot on. I don't know what the precise arrangement is between Ross and Hill/Coton, but my impression is that the former gets what he's given. Quite how that issue wasn't addressed is strange, but it's been a problem with us for many years now. We've either had little or no pace in the team or on the odd occasion we've had pace, it's been of the headless chicken variety. That said, it's change of pace rather than pace per se that damages the opposition, especially if allied to intelligent change of direction. McGeady & Maguire can do that, to a lesser degree so can Gooch.

I'm moving closer to the notion that too many of our players can't handle the emotional/psychological aspect of playing for our team. Like it or not, all our games in League1 are "big games" both in terms of how we're perceived by our opponents (teams & fans alike) & in terms of playing before a large, expectant home crowd. Some players don't possess what you might call the "big game mentality" & without it, they're not going to succeed, for us (although they might well thrive elsewhere), and I'm not sure that any amount of coaching can put that right. I think it's something you either have or you don't.
we could do with playing our young players imo. I don't mean in a "chuck all the kids in" way, but we stifle a lot of our youth. How old's kimpioka? How fast is he?
the youth would be less overawed and - by definition faster.
Bali Mumba too?
seems weird that we hoied Maja in and he did fine but now it's old and slow!
 
Agreed. Good post.
Cheers, William.

I've just been thinking about an approximate parallel to our situation & whether history can provide us with any useful pointers.

I'm neither statistician nor historian, but when Manchester City were relegated to the third tier (in fact, the season before that, when they were in a relegation position) they appointed Joe Royle, who couldn't save them from relegation but did get them promoted via the play offs the following season & then to the Premier League the season after that.

Royle had been Oldham manager for 12 years & then Everton manager. He had what you might call a good pedigree & a reputation for playing good football. He was an ex England international (I think!). I'm guessing Manchester City pushed the boat out to secure his services. But he did the job in the third tier & City knew he was already good enough to do it in the higher echelons.

Who is there, out there, who could maybe parallel Joe Royle's profile? Maybe it's someone of his ilk & calibre that's needed in a situation like this? Maybe we need to push the boat out to get the right man in who has already shown he can do it at Premier League level? This contradicts what I was saying a little earlier, but it's an interesting perspective, I think.
we could do with playing our young players imo. I don't mean in a "chuck all the kids in" way, but we stifle a lot of our youth. How old's kimpioka? How fast is he?
the youth would be less overawed and - by definition faster.
Bali Mumba too?
seems weird that we hoied Maja in and he did fine but now it's old and slow!
It seems we've little to lose with such a strategy, Cluffy, son.
People who are saying Dyce, Big Sam are off there heads
A roll of the Dyce, there, Scotty, son?
 
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I don't think we need to be looking at any of the big names that are getting bandied about atm (not that any of them would come). Just about every average league one manager we've come up against has managed to organise the team, stick to a game plan and match us. I'd take an Ainsworth on a short contract with the incentive of a longer contract if we go up. If he fails he's lost nothing as he'll get work at the likes of Wycombe.
Probably not a bad shout that. Although the fans leaving the ground with 5 or 10 minutes to go we probably miss the second half.
 
We are an absolute shambles of a club in League 1, why do people think its a good idea to put the likes of Allardyce, Dyche etc in to discussions like this one? We have the cheek to call the mags deluded!
 
Yes, I agree. I like what I've seen of Willis so far. Lynch & De Bock both looked like a step up, until Lincoln. Still, they've had two out of three good games each. They weren't the only ones to play poorly on Saturday.Their next performances may give us a better idea of how good (or otherwise) they might be.

The point you make about pace, in particular, is spot on. I don't know what the precise arrangement is between Ross and Hill/Coton, but my impression is that the former gets what he's given. Quite how that issue wasn't addressed is strange, but it's been a problem with us for many years now. We've either had little or no pace in the team or on the odd occasion we've had pace, it's been of the headless chicken variety. That said, it's change of pace rather than pace per se that damages the opposition, especially if allied to intelligent change of direction. McGeady & Maguire can do that, to a lesser degree so can Gooch.

I'm moving closer to the notion that too many of our players can't handle the emotional/psychological aspect of playing for our team. Like it or not, all our games in League1 are "big games" both in terms of how we're perceived by our opponents (teams & fans alike) & in terms of playing before a large, expectant home crowd. Some players don't possess what you might call the "big game mentality" & without it, they're not going to succeed, for us (although they might well thrive elsewhere), and I'm not sure that any amount of coaching can put that right. I think it's something you either have or you don't.
Excellent post mate. I am not a Ross hater or anything like that, however a decent manager with that team/squad like we have would probably tear this league apart. I getting on a bit now and it may be my memory/age but I can't honestly say I understand JRs tactics. Having just read Lee Howeys book and his take on manager's, the contrast between Mick Buxton and Peter Reid and then on to Stan Ternant makes the manager of choice the most important appointment a club will ever make. I think Bob Stokeo, Peter Reid and Howard Wilkinson are testament to that.
 
Excellent post mate. I am not a Ross hater or anything like that, however a decent manager with that team/squad like we have would probably tear this league apart. I getting on a bit now and it may be my memory/age but I can't honestly say I understand JRs tactics. Having just read Lee Howeys book and his take on manager's, the contrast between Mick Buxton and Peter Reid and then on to Stan Ternant makes the manager of choice the most important appointment a club will ever make. I think Bob Stokeo, Peter Reid and Howard Wilkinson are testament to that.
Cheers, marra. I had further (Big Joe Royle inspired) thoughts further down the thread. I think I need to take a few chill pills, ha, ha.
 
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