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Reiver said:
I'm on thin ice mate, I've just had another Mod warning and I'm not sure why.

I've just asked so I can post without risking yet another ban.

Without some kind of nod I've no way of sussing which of my last billion posts was the bad one.
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Mod warning why?

Tell me about the crumbling Mags ground instead then. 😂
 

Scootsie said:
I doubt you’d be saying this if we’d been promoted last season.

Ok he put the recruitment and coaching staff in place, but how much can he realistically do, personally, to change things?

There’s nothing wrong with the players we have, it’s the manager not getting the best out of them.

Imo, he’s made mistakes, but in the main he’s been a breath of fresh air and I truly believe he wants what’s best for SAFC.

He made it clear from day dot that he’d be looking to get investment at some point, I don’t see how that means he’s doing it to cover his arse and hopes spending money will make up for it.
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So what do we do just sit back and accept the people he appointed aren't much cop?
 
JimmyQuinn said:
Putting words in other people's mouths to support your argument is foolish. FWIW I thought the Grigg fee was ridiculous and was glad we didn't do the same for Maddison.

Take it on facts alone: how does spending millions on Grigg tally with the sustainability narrative? It doesn't. It was a poor decision and as others have pointed out it reflects that they haven't been up to task on the field...so far.

That may change with more money etc but if it doesn't I'd be amazed if they're here much longer
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I haven't put any words in your mouth. I said 'people'.

I didn't even state whether they'd be the same people that were unhappy with Grigg. It could actually be two opposite groups.

The likelihood is there will be many who will have not been happy with the Grigg signing but have then complained about signing Maddison.
The Cabbage said:
This is the biggest chance for success at Safc in our lifetimes. This whole period should be about questioning each and every aspect of Safc as to whether it is fit for purpose. Donald is very much a part of this discussion. Characterising it as ‘slagging him off’ is incredibly weak tbh. He may be a very nice fella and he certainly seems to have the clubs interests at heart but there absolutely should be questions about his competence moving forward. The quality of football decision making since he bought the club has been poor, quite simply. There should be NO barrier for Safc fans to talk about this - regardless of the timing.
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Probably used the wrong wording in 'slagging him off' as @rocky has already said. Everyone has their own opinion and I made it clear in my reply that it's each to their own.
 
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Get Into Em said:
I haven't put any words in your mouth. I said 'people'.

I didn't even state whether they'd be the same people that were unhappy with Grigg. It could actually be two opposite groups.

The likelihood is there will be many who will have not been happy with the Grigg signing but have then complained about signing Maddison.
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So if it's not the same people your argument is null and void. You're basically just assuming what people might say in order to prove a point for which you have no basis.

I notice you completely ignored the question too.

Anyway...I think the people saying SD's role should be questioned are right and have no doubt the new lot will take the same view if they're serious about being a success here. If he's doing as well as you and others seem to think then there's nowt to worry about
 
JimmyQuinn said:
I bet I can - there were plenty that thought the fee was mental
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Of course the fee was excessive but we needed a forward and Grigg looked the type of player that would fit the bill.
It depends what you consider a panic buy.
I see it as getting a player who is not good enough just because he’s the only one available, Grigg clearly appeared to be good enough .
 
rocky said:
So what do we do just sit back and accept the people he appointed aren't much cop?
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Absolutely not, but that’s not what I said.

No denying he’s made mistakes, but I don’t agree that he’s done enough wrong to suggest that the only way to put it right is to hoy money at it.
 
Get Into Em said:
We desperately needed a striker. We spent the whole window (once Maja left) pursuing arguably the most proven striker at our level of football. We managed to get him in and for some reason it didn't work. If we didn't bring him in it'd be "Why didn't he get Grigg when we had the funds" or if we brought someone else in it'd be "we should have got Grigg for just a couple million more".

We've dealt with Maddison in the complete opposite way by instead choosing to wait out his contract rather than paying the £2.5m for (arguably) a player we desperately need, yet people are still having a go at SD for this.

He can't win.
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We didn’t desperately need a striker - not an expensive one anyway. It was the wrong diagnosis for the team. What we needed was to create high quality chances at a greater volume. The issue is that the football side of the club is not sufficiently advanced to properly recognise our issues and to address them. To splurge on Grigg and to hold off on Maddison is precisely the opposite way round to what the club needed.
 
palm 1 said:
Of course the fee was excessive but we needed a forward and Grigg looked the type of player that would fit the bill.
It depends what you consider a panic buy.
I see it as getting a player who is not good enough just because he’s the only one available, Grigg clearly appeared to be good enough .
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I get that we needed him (or someone) but the point is that given how long the Maja saga rolled on for we had ample time to scout and buy a replacement at a far more reasonable fee than being held to ransom at the last minute.

There's a clear line from spending that money in January to rampant cost-cutting this summer.
 
Scootsie said:
Absolutely not, but that’s not what I said.

No denying he’s made mistakes, but I don’t agree that he’s done enough wrong to suggest that the only way to put it right is to hoy money at it.
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A massive change in the way we do things is needed. At the minute there is very little longevity in what we're doing. I have concerns Donald is the man to make and implement those changes
 
The Cabbage said:
No. He specifically said he needs more investment in the championship. He said he was fine in league one. That he doesn’t appear able to get Safc out of league one on its own steam is not very impressive - particularly when he has told us many times that we have the biggest budget ever seen in this league. As things stand I don’t see an automatic promotion team at Safc. We’re playoffs at best. I also don’t see the quality of decision making to recognise this and put it right in January. It is going to take the additional funds (and additional pressure) that comes with MSD to get us up this season. That doesn’t reflect well on Donald’s decision making from a purely football perspective.
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Just sign Marcus Maddison in january and jobs a guddun:)
 
JimmyQuinn said:
So if it's not the same people your argument is null and void. You're basically just assuming what people might say in order to prove a point for which you have no basis.

I notice you completely ignored the question too.

Anyway...I think the people saying SD's role should be questioned are right and have no doubt the new lot will take the same view if they're serious about being a success here. If he's doing as well as you and others seem to think then there's nowt to worry about
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I thought your question was rhetorical. I don't think signing Grigg was a good decision in hindsight, but at the time thought it was a brilliant signing.

Again though, we'd have many complaining if we didn't bring him in.

What I said doesn't make my argument null and void. My argument was 'whatever he does, he'll have people complaining' whether that's the same people or not, it doesn't make my argument void.

I too think his position should be questioned - as should everyone's in the club. However, I trust SD and CM, and think the club would operate well with those two still in.
 
Davyred said:
But it was Stewart Donald wasn't it. He bought the club
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With how much of his own money?

Get Into Em said:
I thought your question was rhetorical. I don't think signing Grigg was a good decision in hindsight, but at the time thought it was a brilliant signing.

Again though, we'd have many complaining if we didn't bring him in.

What I said doesn't make my argument null and void. My argument was 'whatever he does, he'll have people complaining' whether that's the same people or not, it doesn't make my argument void.

I too think his position should be questioned - as should everyone's in the club. However, I trust SD and CM, and think the club would operate well with those two still in.
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That's fair enough - on the evidence so far I disagree but would very gladly be proven wrong if, as seems likely, they're left in charge
 
The Cabbage said:
No of course we get them in. The point is on Donald’s suitability to run it once it’s done. He has failed to put together a team destined for automatic promotion across two seasons despite having a number of advantages over all other clubs at this level. He needs to improve his stewardship of the club (on the football side specifically) by a significant margin over what we’ve seen so far. Otherwise I’d happily wave him goodbye and get someone more competent in.
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This. I mentioned it last week. A few shot it down, maybe thought I was being negative again, some maybe ignored it, some agreed. You go back to Eastleigh - proportionally, what sort of money was he hoying about there year after year trying and ultimately failing to get in the league? If he has his hands on money here, what is there to suggest he's the man to control it, when his track record is sketchy. It's one thing being frugal when you've got nowt, but being wasteful when you have got it is another. You look at the Grigg transfer, and it makes you wonder.
 
Scootsie said:
I doubt you’d be saying this if we’d been promoted last season.

Ok he put the recruitment and coaching staff in place, but how much can he realistically do, personally, to change things?

There’s nothing wrong with the players we have, it’s the manager not getting the best out of them.

Imo, he’s made mistakes, but in the main he’s been a breath of fresh air and I truly believe he wants what’s best for SAFC.

He made it clear from day dot that he’d be looking to get investment at some point, I don’t see how that means he’s doing it to cover his arse and hopes spending money will make up for it.
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I’ve never said he’s doing this to cover his arse. The fact that this is covering his arsed is purely coincidental. He is responsible for the overall football direction of the club. He had overseen the establishment of an operation that recruits poorly, works with outdated methods and all adds up to less than the sum of its parts. Whilst i would have welcomed promotion, of course, I still would have had the same opinion. For us to get to the upper reaches of English football, this is the stuff we need to get right - regardless of whether it’s Donald or Dell who owns us. It’s essential. Donald needs to realise this and sort it or we’re definitely going to need someone else at the helm.
 
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