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4th Ashes Test - Old Trafford

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Jap Stammer said:
Cummins bowling lots of no-balls.

If they were getting called as they should be the follow-on would be lot closer. Umpires really need to start calling the bowlers for this, not just checking when a wicket falls.
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I think they'r bringing in someone to do that next year.

I don't think the follow on is an issue anyway, it wouldn't be sensible to have the attack keep going, they need a rest.

Australia will just bat for 40 overs and then put us in for over a day. On a 4th/5th day pitch there's no reason to believe we'll survive. What Stokes did last week is a once in a lifetime thing, which is one of the reasons why it was so remarkable.
 
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Jack Torrance said:
He'd just adjust his run up once the no ball was called so there wouldn't be as many. Agree umpires should do better
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Not quite as simple as that. Some bowlers will always push the line no matter what. A lot of depends on rhythm.
If you start running in knowing you’re potentially bowling a no ball it can get in your head. Umpires need to do better.
 
England 55/1
Australia 8/11
Draw 7/5

Still think the draw is the most likely myself given Australia are probably going to have to bat again, get another 150-200 before putting England in again with 5 sessions left.
 
Sharpshooter said:
England 55/1
Australia 8/11
Draw 7/5

Still think the draw is the most likely myself given Australia are probably going to have to bat again, get another 150-200 before putting England in again with 5 sessions left.
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What in that equation suggests a draw? Australia can get 150-200 without difficulty, especially with already 200 ahead, and England have struggled to bat through 5 sessions on multiple occasions
 
Laidback Jack said:
Spot on. Think they've targetted the World Cup - make our ODI team as strong as possible on home soil and win it. As a result you've neglected the Test side of Cricket and batting for time, batting against top class bowlers and in varying difficult situations. That's the result.

If the Aussies hadn't declared they'd have got 520/530 on this pitch. We're struggling to get to 300.
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Ashley Giles admitted that during the last Test. He said we need to have a rethink. Not sure how things can change in the current structure. And how that daft Hundred shite is around the corner.
Mrjardine said:
I thought Roy was worth a punt at top of order given the lack of options and form he was in coming off back of World Cup but he looks way out of depth there.

Burns and Denly must’ve played a fair amount of first class stuff this season as weren’t part of England ODI set up.

Also Root and particularly stokes have done well with bat this series. I just think Bairstow, Buttler and Roy have played poor cricket at tines.

I also didn’t like Buttlers comment after World Cup saying if he achieves nothing again after winning that it won’t matter. What separates the great from the good is the desire to keep on performing and progressing. Once that hunger goes at top level it’s going to be a struggle.
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Couldn't agree more. Didn't know he'd said that. Very poor. Australia have won the WC five times.
 
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sonson said:
What in that equation suggests a draw? Australia can get 150-200 without difficulty, especially with already 200 ahead, and England have struggled to bat through 5 sessions on multiple occasions
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England have the mental attitude to bat out the day tomorrow, there's no question. If the last test didn't show you anything, I don't know what will.

The score they have in this innings isn't even horrendous, without Smith this would be a very even game. But they are lucky to have him. We will grind out the draw imo.
 
McGregor said:
England have the mental attitude to bat out the day tomorrow, there's no question. If the last test didn't show you anything, I don't know what will.

The score they have in this innings isn't even horrendous, without Smith this would be a very even game. But they are lucky to have him. We will grind out the draw imo.
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The last test showed that Stokes is capable of super human performances on occasion. Not that England have the mental attitude to bat out the day. More than that it's England's repeated failure to bat out the day over the past two years I'm basing my judgement on. Not one remarkable test.

Nevermind Smith, Without Stokes the Ashes is already gone.
 
sonson said:
The last test showed that Stokes is capable of super human performances on occasion. Not that England have the mental attitude to bat out the day. More than that it's England's repeated failure to bat out the day over the past two years I'm basing my judgement on. Not one remarkable test.

Nevermind Smith, Without Stokes the Ashes is already gone.
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I think we do. Root scored runs, as did Burns. Positive stuff. There's nothing special about Australia's innings when you take Smith away. He's just one of those players we don't have.
 
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