Bali Mumba



If we were in the premier league then yes, loaning out the younger players to a lower league, but we are in league one. Is loaning out a player to the conference going to develop him any more than staying with us?
 
another one saying 'needs', why is it so imperative?



what's your point?
I suppose the point is that generally, players aren't anywhere near the first team at 16, it's a pretty rare thing. Now that Mumba is at that level, albeit with plenty to learn, he needs to be playing competitive games to further his development. If he's good enough for our first team (and hasn't let himself down in any of his appearances) then, by default he's too good for our u23s

I'd like to see him out on loan at a L2 team this season and see how he reacts to the weekly grind of lower league footy. If he can play central midfield amongst a league of big hairy lads trying to kick him, then he has a chance. Kicking his heels in our reserves will do him no favours
 
My point still remains, going out on loan that young is an exception to how most 16/17 year old are treated. Why do you think Mumba needs to be treated as an exception to the majority of 17 year olds?

well maybe because he was a first team regular at the beginning of the season
 
I suppose the point is that generally, players aren't anywhere near the first team at 16, it's a pretty rare thing. Now that Mumba is at that level, albeit with plenty to learn, he needs to be playing competitive games to further his development. If he's good enough for our first team (and hasn't let himself down in any of his appearances) then, by default he's too good for our u23s

I'd like to see him out on loan at a L2 team this season and see how he reacts to the weekly grind of lower league footy. If he can play central midfield amongst a league of big hairy lads trying to kick him, then he has a chance. Kicking his heels in our reserves will do him no favours

So you're basically saying he should be treat differently to the overwhelming majority of 17 year olds in the country because he has made it to the fringes of our first team. I do understand the point but i can't agree. Out of the recent England Under 18 not one player in the squad has been out on loan yet. The top teams/acadamies in the world aren't doing it so we shouldn't be either. These young lads need to be protected and given time to develop away from senior football. Of course there's lads like Rooney who are superhuman but if Mumba was to that level, he'd be playing for us every week. He needs time. I seriously doubt many teams above the Northen premier would even want him on loan.
 
Just as an example, Liverpool are buying Harvey Elliott from Fulham and Barca have just bought the young lad from WBA. They are probably bigger prospects than Mumba. Do you think everyone at those clubs is saying 'they need to go out on loan'

I don't have a clue, do you ?
 

I tell you what, if you want to have a decent debate over this then let's continue. But you seem to be struggling so if it's going to come down to emojis and trying to pick holes in what people are saying then let's just end it now. Up to you.
 
My point is it’s a pointless thread comparing everyone.
What’s your point?

I didn't ask you what your point was but cheers. Thanks for asking about my point. My point is that probably more than 99% of 17 year olds don't go out on loan, so why do people think it is imperative that Mumba does?
 
So you're basically saying he should be treat differently to the overwhelming majority of 17 year olds in the country because he has made it to the fringes of our first team. I do understand the point but i can't agree. Out of the recent England Under 18 not one player in the squad has been out on loan yet. The top teams/acadamies in the world aren't doing it so we shouldn't be either. These young lads need to be protected and given time to develop away from senior football. Of course there's lads like Rooney who are superhuman but if Mumba was to that level, he'd be playing for us every week. He needs time. I seriously doubt many teams above the Northen premier would even want him on loan.

I agree. HOWEVER mumba isn’t going to progress in our set up.
Slightly different at Man City where the standard of the academy is much higher.
He will not progress and to be fair, it may have been better for him to move on.
We are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Keep him won’t get a game, won’t progress
Loan him and he will get shit experience in a league lower which is dreadful.

I didn't ask you what your point was but cheers. Thanks for asking about my point. My point is that probably more than 99% of 17 year olds don't go out on loan, so why do people think it is imperative that Mumba does?

Read my reply.
 
I agree. HOWEVER mumba isn’t going to progress in our set up.
Slightly different at Man City where the standard of the academy is much higher.
He will not progress and to be fair, it may have been better for him to move on.
We are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Keep him won’t get a game, won’t progress
Loan him and he will get shit experience in a league lower which is dreadful.



Read my reply.

You are right to be fair. Best thing for him would be to move to a prem team and develop in their academy. Doesn't seem like anybody is coming in for him though. If they wanted him, they would have him.
 
I’ll be honest, I’ve never seen him play. I’ve decided he’s better than Iniesta and Paul Scholes wishes he was as good as him and he should play every game.
 

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