For the money we have spent

Lads, can we get a little perspective here? Since we drew yesterday I people have been complaining that we aren't good enough for the money we have spent on almost every thread. The thing is, you're only telling half the story. We spent nearly £4M because we sold nearly £20M, which is over £16M worth of 'talent' leaving the club more than the next closest team.

I understand that you're disappointed, we all are. but please stop using the money we have spent as a stick to beat the club with.

Team - Money Out - Money In - Net Spend

Portsmouth £149,000 £0 £149,000
Burton £0 £0 £0
Shrewsbury £0 £0 £0
Plymouth £0 £0 £0
Southend £0 £0 £0
Blackpool £0 £0 £0
Fleetwood £0 £0 £0
Doncaster £0 £0 £0
Oxford £0 £0 £0
Gillingham £0 £0 £0
Wimbledon £0 £0 £0
Walsall £0 £0 £0
Luton £0 £0 £0
wycombe £0 £0 £0
Rochdale £0 £149,000 -£149,000
Charlton £0 £430,000 -£430,000
Bradford £0 £608,000 -£608,000
Bristol £0 £756,000 -£756,000
Barnsley £594,000 £1,670,000 -£1,076,000
Coventry £0 £1,220,000 -£1,220,000
Scunthorpe £0 £1,460,000 -£1,460,000
Accrington £0 £1,620,000 -£1,620,000
Peterborough £648,000 £3,330,000 -£2,682,000
Sunderland £3,870,000 £19,790,000 -£15,920,000



Source: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/transfers/wettbewerb/GB3
We weren't in the same starting position as the other teams in the league. 17 players left permanently and another 6 on loan, plus we brought in 14 permanently and 4 on loan. Massive upheaval (again) at teh club so we needed to spend money. Not sure what those stats are supposed to be telling us. Ultimately, we started from close to zero and have done well to be in the promotion hunt, but in actual fact, when you analyse many of the games, we should have won a hell of a lot more than we have
 


Lads, can we get a little perspective here? Since we drew yesterday I people have been complaining that we aren't good enough for the money we have spent on almost every thread. The thing is, you're only telling half the story. We spent nearly £4M because we sold nearly £20M, which is over £16M worth of 'talent' leaving the club more than the next closest team.

I understand that you're disappointed, we all are. but please stop using the money we have spent as a stick to beat the club with.

Team - Money Out - Money In - Net Spend

Portsmouth £149,000 £0 £149,000
Burton £0 £0 £0
Shrewsbury £0 £0 £0
Plymouth £0 £0 £0
Southend £0 £0 £0
Blackpool £0 £0 £0
Fleetwood £0 £0 £0
Doncaster £0 £0 £0
Oxford £0 £0 £0
Gillingham £0 £0 £0
Wimbledon £0 £0 £0
Walsall £0 £0 £0
Luton £0 £0 £0
wycombe £0 £0 £0
Rochdale £0 £149,000 -£149,000
Charlton £0 £430,000 -£430,000
Bradford £0 £608,000 -£608,000
Bristol £0 £756,000 -£756,000
Barnsley £594,000 £1,670,000 -£1,076,000
Coventry £0 £1,220,000 -£1,220,000
Scunthorpe £0 £1,460,000 -£1,460,000
Accrington £0 £1,620,000 -£1,620,000
Peterborough £648,000 £3,330,000 -£2,682,000
Sunderland £3,870,000 £19,790,000 -£15,920,000



Source: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/transfers/wettbewerb/GB3
Net Spend is completely irrelevant
 
It's not a silly argument at all. It's completely sensible argument. In fact it's blatantly obvious.

Lets pretend we had a team of cars instead of players. If I have a team of 11 2018 top spec Aston Martins, and my mate has ten 2018 top spec Mercedes cars. At the end of the year,I can't afford all my cars, so I sell 9 Aston Martins, for £19.79M to relieve some of the debts I'd accrued and replace with 9 much cheaper 2015 Skoda's spending £3,870,00. My mate doesn't spend anything because he already has all his cars. Does this mean that MY squad squad of cars is better than his because I spent £3,870,000 and he spent nothing?

It's completely irrelevant.
Not if your mate had a squad of Skodas.
 
What a silly argument. We can't beat half the teams in League 1 because we used to have Fabio Borini and Didier Ndong? OK.
Clearly that wasn’t my argument.

We weren't in the same starting position as the other teams in the league. 17 players left permanently and another 6 on loan, plus we brought in 14 permanently and 4 on loan. Massive upheaval (again) at teh club so we needed to spend money. Not sure what those stats are supposed to be telling us. Ultimately, we started from close to zero and have done well to be in the promotion hunt, but in actual fact, when you analyse many of the games, we should have won a hell of a lot more than we have
this was my argument.

Net Spend is completely irrelevant
It is relevant. It gives context. We had to acquire 17 more players due to players leaving. If we held onto players we wouldn’t have had to spend any money. People arguing we spent a lot of money are ignoring the fact we only did this because we sold a lot of players and that the players we brought in were shitter and therefore cheaper than the players we lost.
 
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There was a manager who took over an ambitious club in the summer of 2016.

I thought their squad was canny as it was, but he spent big. £166m.

They only came 3rd in the league that season.

They wanted top spot, they were aiming for top spot. No other way to put it except: he had failed.
And they didn't get to a final, let alone win a trophy.

Fortunately for Pep, and the club, they realised the obvious ...

... it takes time as well as money to build a winning team.
 
There was a manager who took over an ambitious club in the summer of 2016.

I thought their squad was canny as it was, but he spent big. £166m.

They only came 3rd in the league that season.

They wanted top spot, they were aiming for top spot. No other way to put it except: he had failed.
And they didn't get to a final, let alone win a trophy.

Fortunately for Pep, and the club, they realised the obvious ...

... it takes time as well as money to build a winning team.

What an absolutely brilliant post.
 
Bottom line is, the players we did sign, the players we kept on and the wages all these players are on, we should be doing far better than we are. We've kept some of our better players, McGeady, Cattermole, Oviedo and supposedly Gooch and Honeyman, we've had players signed dropping from the league above, Grigg, Leadbitter, Power and Flanagan and we've also signed some of the better players in this league last season like Wyke, O'Nien, Maguire and (supposedly) Baldwin as well as 'coups' from the SPL - McLoughlin and McGeouch.

The talent there as well as the others who stayed on should have been good enough to win automatic promotion - we were clear title favourites at the start of the season. It still might be, who knows, but not having promotion in our hands at this stage of the season is below par and other managers are doing far better with less resources.
 
Lads, can we get a little perspective here? Since we drew yesterday I people have been complaining that we aren't good enough for the money we have spent on almost every thread. The thing is, you're only telling half the story. We spent nearly £4M because we sold nearly £20M, which is over £16M worth of 'talent' leaving the club more than the next closest team.

I understand that you're disappointed, we all are. but please stop using the money we have spent as a stick to beat the club with.

Team - Money Out - Money In - Net Spend

Portsmouth £149,000 £0 £149,000
Burton £0 £0 £0
Shrewsbury £0 £0 £0
Plymouth £0 £0 £0
Southend £0 £0 £0
Blackpool £0 £0 £0
Fleetwood £0 £0 £0
Doncaster £0 £0 £0
Oxford £0 £0 £0
Gillingham £0 £0 £0
Wimbledon £0 £0 £0
Walsall £0 £0 £0
Luton £0 £0 £0
wycombe £0 £0 £0
Rochdale £0 £149,000 -£149,000
Charlton £0 £430,000 -£430,000
Bradford £0 £608,000 -£608,000
Bristol £0 £756,000 -£756,000
Barnsley £594,000 £1,670,000 -£1,076,000
Coventry £0 £1,220,000 -£1,220,000
Scunthorpe £0 £1,460,000 -£1,460,000
Accrington £0 £1,620,000 -£1,620,000
Peterborough £648,000 £3,330,000 -£2,682,000
Sunderland £3,870,000 £19,790,000 -£15,920,000



Source: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/transfers/wettbewerb/GB3

You've done it now coming on here armed with facts that dont support the lynch mob.
 
The issue is a bit confusing for some people as it's not straight forward. You can't just look at the figures and expect it to tell a story.

Basically, what lies behind those net spend figures is the fact that we've had to make a massive clear out to clear our wage bill, and therefore needed to bring in more players than almost all clubs in this league, that's why our spending is higher. Most other clubs retained almost all of their squad which has been built up slowly over a number of years, and therefore didn't need to acquire half a squad like us! However, if they had lost half their squad, they would also have had to reinvest some of the Salesian order to acquire.

We were in a different position to every other team in this league in that we had players on premier league wages as we dropped into this division. That was-and still is- a challenge that no other club in this division has to face. We're still in a bad position with the likes of Cattermole and Oviedo on high salaries, but these are problems that were inherited from the previous regime. It's something that we have to make right as and when we can. These players are most likely taking up a massive percentage our our wage budget and the club has done a great job getting the number of players in that it has, on sustainable and sensible wages, whilst still handicapped by these high earners.

To put things into perspective. We could retain all players at the end of this season, sell none. Have a net spend of £0. Yet it would be exactly the same squad as we have now. What would we moan about then? It's an irrelevant statistic unless it's discussed in context.

Spot on, for me this summer is Jack Ross's defining transfer window.......He has now had a full season in this division, he knows which players can cut the mustard and help us next year (whichever league we are in) and which wont. We have the basis of an excellent team but there is little doubt there are areas of weakness for all to see that need dealing with in the summer but there are also many strengths and he will need to keep hold of that core of quality players.

Probably the biggest business he could do this summer is to move Catts and Oviedo on as this will make a massive difference to the budget without massively impacting on the team.
 
it doesnt matter how much you spend unless its successful. its completely meaningless.

tore andre flo or kevin phillips?
 
There was a manager who took over an ambitious club in the summer of 2016.

I thought their squad was canny as it was, but he spent big. £166m.

They only came 3rd in the league that season.

They wanted top spot, they were aiming for top spot. No other way to put it except: he had failed.
And they didn't get to a final, let alone win a trophy.

Fortunately for Pep, and the club, they realised the obvious ...

... it takes time as well as money to build a winning team.

100% spot on and for all the money they have spent and the fact they are arguably the best team in the world right now, they still havent got even close to a Champions league final. Im sure they will as their squad looks the complete package but even at that level teams need to learn to deal with certain situations and go that next step.
 
Pep is a proven manager who delivers success

Yes indeed he is. But the point still stands from the OP in that he ultimately failed in that first season but they didn't fire him.

JAck Ross may well go on to be a nothing manager or he may prove to be a good one. Personally, I think its best to give him a chance to learn, improve and build upon things rather than just spit the dummy out at the first hurdle and cry like a baby. Appreciate I also probably in the minority though.
 
The perspective we need is that we've spent 6x as much as anyone else in the division. The fact that only 4 teams had the luxury to spend money on transfer fees at all tells it's own story.

Not only have we brought in higher priced players than anyone else, but we've also signed the best free agents for the division (theoretically) too. We have blown everyone out of the water in terms of transfer spend, and while I think there's always going to be teams that organically grow together after a couple of years in this division, we should be comfortably in an automatic promotion place at worst by now. 18 draws. EIGHTEEN. The only team with more in the top four divisions are Stoke with 20, languishing in 16th in the Championship.

We are playing like Stoke, despite having the theoretical resources of a Man City/Man Utd for our division. The inability to finish teams off or hang on to a lead, or put pressure on other teams until we're absolutely desperate, is pretty poor.
So if Liverpool sell Mane, Firmino, Salah, Alisson and van Dijk for £500m, then they buy 5 players to replace them for £200m should they win the league at a canter next year because they have spent more than any other club in the league?
 
The perspective we need is that we've spent 6x as much as anyone else in the division. The fact that only 4 teams had the luxury to spend money on transfer fees at all tells it's own story.

Not only have we brought in higher priced players than anyone else, but we've also signed the best free agents for the division (theoretically) too. We have blown everyone out of the water in terms of transfer spend, and while I think there's always going to be teams that organically grow together after a couple of years in this division, we should be comfortably in an automatic promotion place at worst by now. 18 draws. EIGHTEEN. The only team with more in the top four divisions are Stoke with 20, languishing in 16th in the Championship.

We are playing like Stoke, despite having the theoretical resources of a Man City/Man Utd for our division. The inability to finish teams off or hang on to a lead, or put pressure on other teams until we're absolutely desperate, is pretty poor.
spot on. The way we have been frightened of teams this season is beyond a joke.

I heard Fowler talking about the Coventry game and you think we were about to play Barcelona...Ross on yesterday how good Peterborough are. No wonder the plays look frightened playing these (with all due respect) giants of Div 3.
 

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