Missiles being hoyed all game from North Stand Upper

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Hank Scorpio said:
I’m not sure if the majority were that well behaved mind mate. The club seems to have had a really bad time of it and hopefully more info is released
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I suppose its me just wanting it to be the minority and hoping they dont have a club full of wankers.

I'd still like a statement out before Friday. Would put a lot of north standers minds at ease like before the game.
 


McGregor said:
I suppose its me just wanting it to be the minority and hoping they dont have a club full of wankers.

I'd still like a statement out before Friday. Would put a lot of north standers minds at ease like before the game.
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I’ve spoken to the club mate and you will see an increased security for the next two games.

Hopefully the RAWA will be able to make a statement later in the week, but it appears Saturday was the worst the club have ever seen with regards to trouble.

Out of interest mate, have you emailed the RAWA about what you witnessed on Sat? The more information they receive, the better chance we have seeing those scumbags being prosecuted
 
Hank Scorpio said:
I’ve spoken to the club mate and you will see an increased security for the next two games.

Hopefully the RAWA will be able to make a statement later in the week, but it appears Saturday was the worst the club have ever seen with regards to trouble.

Out of interest mate, have you emailed the RAWA about what you witnessed on Sat? The more information they receive, the better chance we have seeing those scumbags being prosecuted
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What's the Safety officer email
 
Hank Scorpio said:
I’ve spoken to the club mate and you will see an increased security for the next two games.

Hopefully the RAWA will be able to make a statement later in the week, but it appears Saturday was the worst the club have ever seen with regards to trouble.

Out of interest mate, have you emailed the RAWA about what you witnessed on Sat? The more information they receive, the better chance we have seeing those scumbags being prosecuted
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I've emailed two safc email addresses, any chance you have RAWA email and I'll forward it to those also?
 
I hope they sink without a trace personally.
I didn't see a thing at the match but I'm at the opposite end of the stadium. Sounds like a decent response so far and the club are definitely acting on the problems. My worry here is that moving the away fans back down into the bowl won't solve a thing. When they were situated next to us we were often pelted with coins, bottles and even seats on occasion, the missiles are just thrown sideways instead of forward. Keep them up there and either 1) net the front and side(s) of the away support in NWU or 2) block off the front section of seats and line stewards and police along the front of the stand. If they're getting items pelted toward them they'll no doubt be a bit more likely to take action.
 
Toasted Mackem said:
I hope they sink without a trace personally.
I didn't see a thing at the match but I'm at the opposite end of the stadium. Sounds like a decent response so far and the club are definitely acting on the problems. My worry here is that moving the away fans back down into the bowl won't solve a thing. When they were situated next to us we were often pelted with coins, bottles and even seats on occasion, the missiles are just thrown sideways instead of forward. Keep them up there and either 1) net the front and side(s) of the away support in NWU or 2) block off the front section of seats and line stewards and police along the front of the stand. If they're getting items pelted toward them they'll no doubt be a bit more likely to take action.
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Don't sell the front six rows of seats. Ensure that bottles are not taken up from the concourse, stop and search if necessary. Put a massive net up like in Italy.
 
TravellingMackem said:
This morning I received a phone call from Steve Neill the clubs Chief Safety Officer, to discuss the observations and issues that I highlighted in my email sent on Monday evening.

Steve was a credit to the club in fairness and spoke very openly about the issue. Was a pleasant surprise, as I was expecting something akin to the corporate hush hush approach, so I’m very pleased with the outcome. We spoke about numerous things and he had time to discuss anything, instead of rushing me off the phone.

Steve advised me of the police intelligence reports and their contents, and why the club took the approach that they did to staffing and policing. He advised that there were 67 police deployed at the stadium and advised of steward numbers which I unfortunately can’t recall. This was much increased from other games this season due to acknowledging the increased security rating of this one.

He advised that he was very embarrassed with how the day turned out and that in hindsight he would have postponed the match temporarily to regain order upstairs, and that in future their plan is to utilise the full Premier Concourse to spread the away fans if there is anymore trouble. He advised that the trouble appears to have stemmed from a small group of Coventry fans who’ve been identified on this thread already (a thread of which Steve is aware and following), and that they were also involved at incidents both in Newcastle and at the Wheatsheaf pub pre match. He accepted though that with hindsight they should have acted against these lads before it escalated, which was refreshing to hear someone admit mistake so openly.

He added that the club were struggling as their fans were only doing it when hidden in groups or celebrating goals, so it’s proving hard to identify them on CCTV but the club have employed a group of people to work nightshifts and days to go through the footage to assist the police. And also advised that any additional footage fans had would be helpful.

He did advise that additional plans were in place for future games to prevent it reoccurring, and that in 30 years of doing this job and the match commander job before that he’d never experienced it this bad. He was thankful for the information from fans though and advised that it’s especially helpful as the only other idea he gets is from CCTV and the occasional steward account.

He advised that the stewards in the yellow don’t have radios but should be reporting through the pink stewards who can escalate it accordingly and report to the control room for investigation/action accordingly. He also advised that the stewards would be briefed properly to coordinate the actions upstairs with those downstairs. Obviously the downstairs stewards can’t go up but they can communicate better with fans as others can and were relocated. He advised that all the reserve stewards, outdoor stewards and police were deployed to the front of the north stand upper to act as a deterrent but this didn’t help at all, which he sounded surprised about. He also advised that some stewards will face disciplinary action.

Additionally, the club have asked that future Coventry allocations are “very significantly reduced” and were considering going further. He didn’t expand on this but I assume total bans for all away fans. I challenged whether he feared this would become tit for tat due to the Coventry club statements tone and he said Coventry had apologised for the tone of the statement and any decision would be made at a police level and not a club level, therefore out of either clubs hands.

Regarding further investigation, he advised that he’s discussed with the FSF who are working with the club and the FA to conduct an investigation into how the match was handled both by SAFC and by police. This is through the work done by RAWA, and additional to that, he was working with a national group of stewards (can’t recall the official group title) to form a working group to improve going forward.

He advised that himself and his deputy were making personal calls to every Sunderland fan hit by an object or assaulted outside by Coventry fans to offer a personal apology and to make offers to replace damaged clothing and to offer a future match day experience. I assume this means free BCB tickets. He also very kindly advised that if it would help my little one return to the stadium to eradicate the memories of last weekend, then he’d facilitate this through allowing her the chance to mascot and go on the pitch. I even mentioned in the email that we now have a nervous mammy, so he’s invited her along as a club guest as well to a future game.

Just wanted to note my praise for the way the club have handled the aftermath thus far. They’ve been very forthcoming and open with myself and others that have spoken to them and they appear to have reacted to the problems and put things in place to stop it happening again. For this, they deserve a lot of praise.

Just thought I’d share his to you all incase it’s of any interest to anyone, or helps others, particularly the young dads among us, to be more confident of taking the young ones next week or to any future games.
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brilliant mate, thanks for sharing. I think i'll show this to the mrs (not that she'll want to attend :lol:but it might allay her fears as i have tickets for the bairn for pompey for same seat).

I hope this leads to a few things, primarily that (although i doubt it) those Coventry fans in denial out there realise the seriousness of the situation. it sounds like their club has now realised how serious it is (i think their arses are twitching now), maybe Coventry release a 2nd statement (but i doubt it).
Also, that some action is taken against them outright!
 
TravellingMackem said:
This morning I received a phone call from Steve Neill the clubs Chief Safety Officer, to discuss the observations and issues that I highlighted in my email sent on Monday evening.

Steve was a credit to the club in fairness and spoke very openly about the issue. Was a pleasant surprise, as I was expecting something akin to the corporate hush hush approach, so I’m very pleased with the outcome. We spoke about numerous things and he had time to discuss anything, instead of rushing me off the phone.

Steve advised me of the police intelligence reports and their contents, and why the club took the approach that they did to staffing and policing. He advised that there were 67 police deployed at the stadium and advised of steward numbers which I unfortunately can’t recall. This was much increased from other games this season due to acknowledging the increased security rating of this one.

He advised that he was very embarrassed with how the day turned out and that in hindsight he would have postponed the match temporarily to regain order upstairs, and that in future their plan is to utilise the full Premier Concourse to spread the away fans if there is anymore trouble. He advised that the trouble appears to have stemmed from a small group of Coventry fans who’ve been identified on this thread already (a thread of which Steve is aware and following), and that they were also involved at incidents both in Newcastle and at the Wheatsheaf pub pre match. He accepted though that with hindsight they should have acted against these lads before it escalated, which was refreshing to hear someone admit mistake so openly.

He added that the club were struggling as their fans were only doing it when hidden in groups or celebrating goals, so it’s proving hard to identify them on CCTV but the club have employed a group of people to work nightshifts and days to go through the footage to assist the police. And also advised that any additional footage fans had would be helpful.

He did advise that additional plans were in place for future games to prevent it reoccurring, and that in 30 years of doing this job and the match commander job before that he’d never experienced it this bad. He was thankful for the information from fans though and advised that it’s especially helpful as the only other idea he gets is from CCTV and the occasional steward account.

He advised that the stewards in the yellow don’t have radios but should be reporting through the pink stewards who can escalate it accordingly and report to the control room for investigation/action accordingly. He also advised that the stewards would be briefed properly to coordinate the actions upstairs with those downstairs. Obviously the downstairs stewards can’t go up but they can communicate better with fans as others can and were relocated. He advised that all the reserve stewards, outdoor stewards and police were deployed to the front of the north stand upper to act as a deterrent but this didn’t help at all, which he sounded surprised about. He also advised that some stewards will face disciplinary action.

Additionally, the club have asked that future Coventry allocations are “very significantly reduced” and were considering going further. He didn’t expand on this but I assume total bans for all away fans. I challenged whether he feared this would become tit for tat due to the Coventry club statements tone and he said Coventry had apologised for the tone of the statement and any decision would be made at a police level and not a club level, therefore out of either clubs hands.

Regarding further investigation, he advised that he’s discussed with the FSF who are working with the club and the FA to conduct an investigation into how the match was handled both by SAFC and by police. This is through the work done by RAWA, and additional to that, he was working with a national group of stewards (can’t recall the official group title) to form a working group to improve going forward.

He advised that himself and his deputy were making personal calls to every Sunderland fan hit by an object or assaulted outside by Coventry fans to offer a personal apology and to make offers to replace damaged clothing and to offer a future match day experience. I assume this means free BCB tickets. He also very kindly advised that if it would help my little one return to the stadium to eradicate the memories of last weekend, then he’d facilitate this through allowing her the chance to mascot and go on the pitch. I even mentioned in the email that we now have a nervous mammy, so he’s invited her along as a club guest as well to a future game.

Just wanted to note my praise for the way the club have handled the aftermath thus far. They’ve been very forthcoming and open with myself and others that have spoken to them and they appear to have reacted to the problems and put things in place to stop it happening again. For this, they deserve a lot of praise.

Just thought I’d share his to you all incase it’s of any interest to anyone, or helps others, particularly the young dads among us, to be more confident of taking the young ones next week or to any future games.
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TM thanks for sharing this. I've emailed Chris W to let him know what I saw at the game and the Wheatsheaf pre match.Hope others do too and that those hit by objects are ok.
 
Toasted Mackem said:
I hope they sink without a trace personally.
I didn't see a thing at the match but I'm at the opposite end of the stadium. Sounds like a decent response so far and the club are definitely acting on the problems. My worry here is that moving the away fans back down into the bowl won't solve a thing. When they were situated next to us we were often pelted with coins, bottles and even seats on occasion, the missiles are just thrown sideways instead of forward. Keep them up there and either 1) net the front and side(s) of the away support in NWU or 2) block off the front section of seats and line stewards and police along the front of the stand. If they're getting items pelted toward them they'll no doubt be a bit more likely to take action.
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From Friday, the front section will be closed off. Anyone with tickets in that area will be relocated in the corner.
 
Barboza dh9 said:
Had a good chat with him , he's distraught about Saturday like
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The whole club should be.
They knew about the grievances this clubs had with Cov since the 70s, they knew about the trouble down there earlier this season, they knew mobs were coming up, they knew Cov fans are aggrieved about losing their ground and possibly their FL status and still some idiot made a provocative tweet on the clubs official account.
Obviously the whole thing is the Cov idiot fringes fault but safc have a few questions to answer concerning the stewards, the police, the searching etc etc.
 
TravellingMackem said:
This morning I received a phone call from Steve Neill the clubs Chief Safety Officer, to discuss the observations and issues that I highlighted in my email sent on Monday evening.

Steve was a credit to the club in fairness and spoke very openly about the issue. Was a pleasant surprise, as I was expecting something akin to the corporate hush hush approach, so I’m very pleased with the outcome. We spoke about numerous things and he had time to discuss anything, instead of rushing me off the phone.

Steve advised me of the police intelligence reports and their contents, and why the club took the approach that they did to staffing and policing. He advised that there were 67 police deployed at the stadium and advised of steward numbers which I unfortunately can’t recall. This was much increased from other games this season due to acknowledging the increased security rating of this one.

He advised that he was very embarrassed with how the day turned out and that in hindsight he would have postponed the match temporarily to regain order upstairs, and that in future their plan is to utilise the full Premier Concourse to spread the away fans if there is anymore trouble. He advised that the trouble appears to have stemmed from a small group of Coventry fans who’ve been identified on this thread already (a thread of which Steve is aware and following), and that they were also involved at incidents both in Newcastle and at the Wheatsheaf pub pre match. He accepted though that with hindsight they should have acted against these lads before it escalated, which was refreshing to hear someone admit mistake so openly.

He added that the club were struggling as their fans were only doing it when hidden in groups or celebrating goals, so it’s proving hard to identify them on CCTV but the club have employed a group of people to work nightshifts and days to go through the footage to assist the police. And also advised that any additional footage fans had would be helpful.

He did advise that additional plans were in place for future games to prevent it reoccurring, and that in 30 years of doing this job and the match commander job before that he’d never experienced it this bad. He was thankful for the information from fans though and advised that it’s especially helpful as the only other idea he gets is from CCTV and the occasional steward account.

He advised that the stewards in the yellow don’t have radios but should be reporting through the pink stewards who can escalate it accordingly and report to the control room for investigation/action accordingly. He also advised that the stewards would be briefed properly to coordinate the actions upstairs with those downstairs. Obviously the downstairs stewards can’t go up but they can communicate better with fans as others can and were relocated. He advised that all the reserve stewards, outdoor stewards and police were deployed to the front of the north stand upper to act as a deterrent but this didn’t help at all, which he sounded surprised about. He also advised that some stewards will face disciplinary action.

Additionally, the club have asked that future Coventry allocations are “very significantly reduced” and were considering going further. He didn’t expand on this but I assume total bans for all away fans. I challenged whether he feared this would become tit for tat due to the Coventry club statements tone and he said Coventry had apologised for the tone of the statement and any decision would be made at a police level and not a club level, therefore out of either clubs hands.

Regarding further investigation, he advised that he’s discussed with the FSF who are working with the club and the FA to conduct an investigation into how the match was handled both by SAFC and by police. This is through the work done by RAWA, and additional to that, he was working with a national group of stewards (can’t recall the official group title) to form a working group to improve going forward.

He advised that himself and his deputy were making personal calls to every Sunderland fan hit by an object or assaulted outside by Coventry fans to offer a personal apology and to make offers to replace damaged clothing and to offer a future match day experience. I assume this means free BCB tickets. He also very kindly advised that if it would help my little one return to the stadium to eradicate the memories of last weekend, then he’d facilitate this through allowing her the chance to mascot and go on the pitch. I even mentioned in the email that we now have a nervous mammy, so he’s invited her along as a club guest as well to a future game.

Just wanted to note my praise for the way the club have handled the aftermath thus far. They’ve been very forthcoming and open with myself and others that have spoken to them and they appear to have reacted to the problems and put things in place to stop it happening again. For this, they deserve a lot of praise.

Just thought I’d share his to you all incase it’s of any interest to anyone, or helps others, particularly the young dads among us, to be more confident of taking the young ones next week or to any future games.
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That's an amazing response like. And fair play and huge credit to them for it.
 
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