Ashwin mankands Buttler

[Fats]

No he wasn’t, it was against the law

The law says has to be out when he expects the ball to be released, he wasn’t

He stopped waited for Buttler to leave

That’s the rule not an opinion, umpire made the mistake it should have been a dead ball

It’s absolutely nothing like the one that happened to Buttler against Sri lanka

As I said, I've only seen it the once, but if what you say is the case, & he did wait for Buttler to leave the crease, then in effect he's stopped his run up, so dead ball is the correct call.

 

[Ageing trundler]

Yes, they got it all wrong. Ashwin stopped in his delivery stride before Buttler had left his crease. Not good for the game.

 

[jaxaxe]

It’s absolutely nothing like the one that happened to Buttler against Sri lanka

I'm detecting a common theme here.

It looks like Buttler may be getting a reputation for being sharp out of the blocks.

No he wasn’t, it was against the law

The law says has to be out when he expects the ball to be released, he wasn’t

He stopped waited for Buttler to leave

That’s the rule not an opinion, umpire made the mistake it should have been a dead ball

It’s absolutely nothing like the one that happened to Buttler against Sri lanka

Yet experienced umpires with a far better grasp of the nuances of the rules of the game, and with video technology, gave Buttler out.

And anyone who has played the game at any level for long enough will have experienced precisely this situation.

Perhaps you are wrong, and shouldn't be stating your opinion on this with such a high degree of certainty.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

I'm detecting a common theme here.

It looks like Buttler may be getting a reputation for being sharp out of the blocks.

Yet experienced umpires with a far better grasp of the nuances of the rules of the game, and with video technology, gave Buttler out.

And anyone who has played the game at any level for long enough will have experienced precisely this situation.

Perhaps you are wrong, and shouldn't be stating your opinion on this with such a high degree of certainty.

Judging by twitter, most professionals disagree with you

 

[The Rat]

I'm detecting a common theme here.

It looks like Buttler may be getting a reputation for being sharp out of the blocks.

Yet experienced umpires with a far better grasp of the nuances of the rules of the game, and with video technology, gave Buttler out.

And anyone who has played the game at any level for long enough will have experienced precisely this situation.

Perhaps you are wrong, and shouldn't be stating your opinion on this with such a high degree of certainty.

Yeah they got it wrong

I’m not it’s the law, it’s not an opinion.

I’ve not seen anyone say it was that correct decision by law

Have you actually seen it? You’re not sounding like you have

 

[BOYCEY]

It was pre-empted by Ashwin, he had no intention of bowling that delivery, he stopped, and waited for Buttler to leave his crease before whipping the bails off. Cheating sod

 

[jaxaxe]

Yes, they got it all wrong. Ashwin stopped in his delivery stride before Buttler had left his crease. Not good for the game.

This type of situation has always been there, festering in the dark recesses of the game, within the rules, but not in any way reputable.

And the wording of the law itself is open to a lot of nuance:

41.16 Non-striker leaving his/her ground early

If the non-striker is out of his/her ground from the moment the ball comes into play to the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the bowler is permitted to attempt to run him/her out. Whether the attempt is successful or not, the ball shall not count as one in the over.

If the bowler fails in an attempt to run out the non-striker, the umpire shall call and signal Dead ball as soon as possible.

41.17 Batsmen stealing a run

It is unfair for the batsmen to attempt to steal a run during the bowler’s run-up. Unless the bowler attempts to run out either batsman – see 41.16 and Law 21.4 (Bowler throwing towards striker’s end before delivery) – the umpire shall

- call and signal Dead ball as soon as the batsmen cross in such an attempt.

- inform the other umpire of the reason for this action.

The bowler’s end umpire shall then

- return the batsmen to their original ends.

- award 5 Penalty runs to the fielding side.

- award any other 5 run Penalty that is applicable, except for Penalty runs under Law 28.3 (Protective helmets belonging to the fielding side).

- inform the batsmen, the captain of the fielding side and, as soon as practicable, the captain of the batting side, of the reason for this action.

The umpires together shall report the occurrence as soon as possible after the match to the Executive of the offending side and to any Governing Body responsible for the match, who shall take such action as is considered appropriate against the captain, any other individuals concerned and, if appropriate, the team.

Like yourself, I played the game for many years. While I saw several instances of Mankadding, I never saw a fielding side awarded five penalty runs because a batsman was taking an unfair advantage while they were backing up.

Is the law up to the job ?

 

[TopCat]

Oh come on. He wasn’t trying to gain an advantage at all. When Ashwin stopped, Buttler was in his ground, and he doesn’t have to look at the bowler (he should be following the ball in case a review is needed...)

It’s utterly appalling from Ashwin

This

Ashwin was within his rights

Disagree. Ashwin deliberately stopped in his action and waited for Buttler to leave his ground. Buttler wasn't trying to gain an advantage , he was doing what every batsman is taught as a kid - be on your toes and walk out with the bowler as he releases the ball. It's not as if he was halfway up the pitch and Ashwin stopped in his bowling action to run him out, it was premeditated and not in the least bit fair

 

[Boo]

When Ashwin stopped, he knew exactly where Buttler would be, and knew that Buttler wouldn't have a leg to stand on within the laws of the game.

Ashwin is a professional, playing for high stakes. So is Buttler. And Buttler should know better..

I think this is probably the 'right' answer, but I regret it. In particular, I think it could bring a new, unhelpful dimension into the game whereby bowlers will try to con batsmen to move out of their crease.

 

[The Rat]

I think this is probably the 'right' answer, but I regret it. In particular, I think it could bring a new, unhelpful dimension into the game whereby bowlers will try to con batsmen to move out of their crease.

He’s wrong like sorry

It was a dead ball

This is totally different to a usual mankad

Buttler against Sri Lanka was 100% out. He warned him and he still did it, he deserved it in my opinion

This one he would have been in if Ashwin Bowled the ball

Ashwin can do what he likes, but 99% of cricketers wouldn’t do that. No cricketer has backed him up

But he’s allowed to do that, it was an umpire error

 

[smoker]

People saying if serves Buttler right haven't watched it. He ran him out a half second after he would have delivered the ball. He delayed the delivery deliberately until Jos had wandered out of his ground. It was an appalling umpiring decision and cost Rajasthan the match and a lot of money.

 

[Mainze]

Buttler should have wrapped his bat round the fuckers head.

 

[Voice of fair play]

People saying if serves Buttler right haven't watched it. He ran him out a half second after he would have delivered the ball. He delayed the delivery deliberately until Jos had wandered out of his ground. It was an appalling umpiring decision and cost Rajasthan the match and a lot of money.

Yep that is the whole point at the top of his delivery Buttler was in the crease.

Then held it back

It's not as if Buttler was trying to pinch anything, mind blame Ashwin totally not the umpire.

 

[rentaghost]

When Ashwin stopped, he knew exactly where Buttler would be, and knew that Buttler wouldn't have a leg to stand on within the laws of the game.

Ashwin is a professional, playing for high stakes. So is Buttler. And Buttler should know better.

And Yes, it's a cheap shot, and the paying audience is right to be pissed off, as it deprives them of spectacle - particularly in an age where with Twenty20 cricket is showbiz as much as sport.

And within the rules. But not some faux Victorian moral code which exists nowhere in writing, but is believed to be possessed by all Englishmen and good honourable cricketers.

Unless the cricketing authorities write down that expected code of conduct, and are prepared to enforce it, it doesn't exist.

You have got this wrong unfortunately. Buttler was rooted in his crease while Ashwin got to his delivery stride. Every batsman that was playing in that game would have been out in that circumstance. The fact that almost everyone who plays the game doesnt share your view is a telling factor.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Buttler should have wrapped his bat round the fuckers head.

Got to be the bigger man and continue through the tournament and show what a class act he is.

I am pleased he didn’t react worse even though entitled too, as might have took something away from how much a twat Ashwin was.

 

[Johnap]

I have never liked this bail-topping. Don't mind warning them but would never do it. As a captain I would have withdrawn the appeal but Ashwin is skipper. Saw it once in a Durham Coast League in the early 70s. The lad got warned 3 times - he had no complaints and we were batting.

 

[Mrjardine]

I personally have no problem with it.

Let’s be honest if Butler nicked one he wouldn’t walk if umpire didn’t give him yet that seems accepted.

This was probably borderline in terms of if was in delivery stride or not but batsman steal yards all the time.

If it’s difference between winning and losing then Ashwin is in his rights to ask the question imo.

 

[brandon]

I’ve spoken to wicketkeeper, he’s currently on gardening leave from this place but he’s quite convinced he knows who is to blame for the whole affair and wanted me to pass it on to the board: The NEPL.

 

[Voice of fair play]

What I can say is the wicketkeeper would be appalled!

As he just to walk all the time when he nicked the ball and hated when others didn’t.

Then again that was a few years ago when the spirit of cricket was more important than winning.

Never mind anyone even attempting what Ashwin did

Can’t believe some on here are trying to justify it, sad times and priorities all wrong

I personally have no problem with it.

Let’s be honest if Butler nicked one he wouldn’t walk if umpire didn’t give him yet that seems accepted.

This was probably borderline in terms of if was in delivery stride or not but batsman steal yards all the time.

If it’s difference between winning and losing then Ashwin is in his rights to ask the question imo.

I think the point here mind is if Buttler was continuing to try and steal yards and he warned him then yeah.

But he didn’t and Buttler would have been in his crease had Ashwin released the ball at his normal time.

That is why it was bang out of order imo

 

[Mrjardine]

What I can say is the wicketkeeper would be appalled!

As he just to walk all the time when he nicked the ball and hated when others didn’t.

Then again that was a few years ago when the spirit of cricket was more important than winning.

Never mind anyone even attempting what Ashwin did

Can’t believe some on here are trying to justify it, sad times and priorities all wrong



I think the point here mind is if Buttler was continuing to try and steal yards and he warned him then yeah.

But he didn’t and Buttler would have been in his crease had Ashwin released the ball at his normal time.

That is why it was bang out of order imo

I don’t see why a batsman should need to be warned, they know the rules.

Batsman never walk when they nick it and that seems to be accepted.

As I said this wasn’t a blatant stealing of yards but it Waac borderline in terms of delivery stride so I think ashwin entitled to ask the question.