Shooting in a mosque in NZ...



The Muffin Man said:
The laws already exist you daftie, pop along and educate yourself then lets chat.
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Is your answer seriously the government? That's working out really well, isn't it?

We've already agreed that inciting violence is a crime. We don't need hate speech laws. Hate speech is just stuff the government says you can't say. What happens when they ban your speech. What will you do then?
 
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RossTheNinja said:
Is your answer seriously the government? That's working out really well, isn't it?
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Got people like Choudry off the streets, the problem is to date its not being applied equally, if it was Tommy Robinson would be in jail not just banned by social media companies.

Authorities been so busy tracking Islamic extremists they have taken their eye of the ball. Thought they would have taken the Norwegian loon as a hint but they didnt and here we are again.

This guy was not known to Australian cops, look at the mental stuff he posts, how was he not known to cops?
 
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The Muffin Man said:
Got people like Choudry off the streets, the problem is to date its not being applied equally, if it was Tommy Robinson would be in jail not just banned by social media companies.

Authorities been so busy tracking Islamic extremists they have taken their eye of the ball. Thought they would have taken the Norwegian loon as a hint but they didnt and here we are again.

This guy was not known to Australian cops, look at the mental stuff he posts, how was he not known to cops?
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Whilst I share in your indignation mate. I don't see more laws a better thing like Ross is saying. Allow the incumbent government more control over our lives will lead us only one way. To 1984
 
RossTheNinja said:
This has to be a parody account, right?

I'll play along.

Who determines what is acceptable speech, professor?
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The law

RossTheNinja said:
Is your answer seriously the government? That's working out really well, isn't it?

We've already agreed that inciting violence is a crime. We don't need hate speech laws. Hate speech is just stuff the government says you can't say. What happens when they ban your speech. What will you do then?
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Vote for someone else
 
Tommasi said:
Aye video games are the reason this happened. Fuck all to do with the right wing press pushing agendas. This is what happens when you have people like Katie Hopkins labelling people "cockroaches"
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Mate some people feel better if they put their head in the sand. "Bloody video game loneman mental nutter". Funny these lines don't get trotted out if Admiral and his followers do anything bad.
 
Tommasi said:
Aye video games are the reason this happened. Fuck all to do with the right wing press pushing agendas. This is what happens when you have people like Katie Hopkins labelling people "cockroaches"
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Certainly not, but heavily influenced what has happened.
 
Charlie Chimp said:
Mate some people feel better if they put their head in the sand. "Bloody video game loneman mental nutter". Funny these lines don't get trotted out if Admiral and his followers do anything bad.
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We need a common catchphrase along the lines of the Admiral one for these types of situations so that we can more easily pigeon hole the perps.

As it stands they split between lone wolf, random nutter, neo nazi, mentally ill ... far too much fragmentation.
 
bigmarlon said:
Some shocking info here that hasn't appeared on the news yet from what I can tell...

The shooter announced he was going to carry out the attack on 8chan and facebook live'd the whole thing. I have a link to the thread but won't post it. He video'd the whole thing, which I won't post. His name is Brenton Tarrant, his FB has now been closed. He entered with 3 guns covered in white writing with what appears to be names, from what I can tell they're shotguns but I can't be certain.

Absolutely f***ing tragic.

Edit: Not shotguns, some sort of automatic heavy machine gun.

What the fuck is the world coming

Edit2: Police got the
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Terrible news this like.
 
dangermows said:
My step dad is black. Had no problem at all. Well unless someone who was pissed and convinced he was Gary Bennett is a problem.

Mind, he's f***ing massive so doubt many would say owt to him even if they wanted to.
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My lass's step dad and step brother are both brown skinned muslims.

They've experienced racism off people but it's not this waiting tinderbox that could explode at any minute.

They certainly don't feel fearful or expect it to go down any minute as sonson appeared to be describing.

And when I've been out with them no one's ever said anything. Her step brother is a proper gobby lads lad aswell and even when hes had arguments in the pub etc. I've never heard anyone call him something racist.
 
Epping said:
I don't think they do but they desensitize kids to these type of events..

Same with porn.. young lads think it's fine to gang bang a lass etc as if it's normals They are desensitized and lose the emotiknal attachment
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Well I won't argue with that, I agree.
Fact is though that's prevalent in books, movies, 24 hour news coverage, TV... f***ing social media...

The march of progress tends to be beset by an increased exposure to the world at large, for better or worse.
 
The Muffin Man said:
People are totally free to say whatever they want but they need to understand that there could be consequences ie being done for hate speech, inciting racial or religious hatred etc.
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So they are not free to say what they want, as there are consequences fpr doing so. Its like saying people are free to murder people, they are not because you will end up serving life
 

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