Ethiopian Airlines crash

0verlord44 said:
As the crash happened in Ethiopia, The NTSB don't have Primacy, The Ethiopian investigation do. Although they can relinquish it I think.

Countries have already started grounding those Aircraft so I bet they will be trying to get to the bottom of it sprightly.
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NTSB will have an observer, however, as it was an American aircraft.

Not mentioned in this thread is that this is the second 737 ET has crashed this decade in the first few minutes after takeoff, and the previous one was largely attributed to crew failures. It could be an ugly dynamic here with a fairly major airline (and make no mistake, they are that - they have over 110 aircraft, roughly the same as KLM) and their biggest supplier fighting over blame for a horrible crash. Ethiopian can't really afford a conclusion that they can't safely fly 737s, and Boeing definitely can't afford a conclusion that the MAX is unsafe.
 


Dave Herbal said:
Ever tried the morality test where you have to decide whether the car should kill the passengers or pedestrians? That’s the problem with letting machines decide.

Moral Machine


It’s true man. I bet Sala’s crash gets more coloumn inches.
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Eh so if ngolo Kante for instance was on the plane instead of sala it wouldn't get mentioned as much cos he's black. Tbh all of this you say is just bullshit imo
 
Cox Green Fc said:
Eh so if ngolo Kante for instance was on the plane instead of sala it wouldn't get mentioned as much cos he's black. Tbh all of this you say is just bullshit imo
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No I mean 2 people dying a plane crash is more newsworthy here than 300 if it’s in Europe and ones a footballer. If the Ethiopian one had happened it Europe it would have had more column inches.
 
Dave Herbal said:
No I mean 2 people dying a plane crash is more newsworthy here than 300 if it’s in Europe and ones a footballer. If the Ethiopian one had happened Europe it would have had more column inches.
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Aye but the sala crash would habe more news than if a plane crashed and killed a load of people in Poland for example. This race card is just pathetic imo
 
0verlord44 said:
As the crash happened in Ethiopia, The NTSB don't have Primacy, The Ethiopian investigation do. Although they can relinquish it I think.

Countries have already started grounding those Aircraft so I bet they will be trying to get to the bottom of it sprightly.
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Apparently the chinese version of the CAA have ordered all chinese owned ones grounded and South african carrier Comair have pulled theirs as well
 
Cox Green Fc said:
Aye but the sala crash would habe more news than if a plane crashed and killed a load of people in Poland for example. This race card is just pathetic imo
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Ok maybe the Sala crash was a bad example. But I’m sure a Poland crash would get more coverage than an Ethiopian one. I wonder how much coverage it gets in America?
 
yorkyexile said:
As little as humanly possible? Can`t see Boeing wanting Wall Street arses twitchng
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It's getting a lot of coverage over here. It's literally the top story on the New York Times and Wall Street Journal websites right now, and it's near the top on the Washington Post. It's also top on the Seattle Times (Boeing's longtime home and where most of its production is) and CNN. It's buried on the Chicago Tribune (Boeing is now HQed in Chicago) and on Pravda, which is busy talking up Trump as usual.
 
There was a bloke on the TV this morning who said the Max 8 had been designed to have the same "feel" for Pilots as the previous planes. However, if there is an issue then the workaround is fundamentally different on the Max 8. You can guess where the finger will be pointed!
 
To be honest I find it amazing there aren't more plane crashes.

Up to 20,000 in the air at any one time. Hugely complex machines with a lot to go wrong, certain scenarios where if it does the situation is hopeless (I.e engine failure over water), human error, dangerous weather etc...

And there is maybe 1/2 major events per year. Quite astonishing really.
 
MonkeyLove said:
Probably be the safest planes to fly on in a few months. Boeing will be all over this if there is any hint of issue with one of their main products
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I doubt it, 21st century engines on a 50 year old airframe design, notice how far forward the engines are on this type?

And this is the second to plunge vertically into the ground, the last I read the 'software update' hadn't been performed yet despite the Lion air crash being a few months ago.

This will be case of dividends before safety, very sad.
 
I imagine there will be huge political pressure to keep them flying in the US as grounding them would cause problems for American and Southwest Airlines who have substantial numbers in their fleet. Not to mention the economic effect on Boeing.
 
Binternet said:
I imagine there will be huge political pressure to keep them flying in the US as grounding them would cause problems for American and Southwest Airlines who have substantial numbers in their fleet. Not to mention the economic effect on Boeing.
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You have to love how finance and politics can help influence safety decisions.
 

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