England in the West Indies

[TravellingMackem]

It’s the fact that it only takes one shambolic display to end the World Cup for us that is worrying. We need to show another side to our game on pitches like Saturdays where the conditions don’t suit just pure ball striking. Other teams find a way and we need to find a way of setting a score somehow on pitches that don’t suit us

 

[Mrjardine]

I didn't say that we weren't a fantastic side. I stated quite clearly that if it was a league basis we'd walk it. But, when the pressure is on, I have my doubts as to whether or not the team can handle it.

Based on what?

 

[Voice of fair play]

Can’t believe the over reaction to one bad day at the office. Haven’t we won something like 10 ODI series in a row?

Then again people were talking about how watching us smash 418 being boring then ripping their skeletons out over Chris Gayle knocking it to all parts.

This is the best ODI side we’ve had in my lifetime (1992 was good mind all relative to time though) yet people seem to want to find ways to pull it to pieces.

Very strange.

I find it incredible and unbelievably negative, we have a brilliant side who are not only very competitive but are also brilliant to watch.

The perfect combination yet some can’t wait to get stuck in to them, could not agree more very strange indeed.

 

[Fats]

Based on what?

I can see why people refuse to engage with you

 

[Mrjardine]

I can see why people refuse to engage with you

I don’t recall ever conversing with you on here tbh.

You’ve made a comment I’ve merely asked what’s it’s based on.

It’s called a discussion actually.

 

[Voice of fair play]

One bad day?

In the main it seems we have one bad game every series. In this series, it was well played game one; how on earth did we manage to lose game two?; held the nerve well game 3 & then utterly atrocious in game 4. If the World Cup was done on a league we'd win at a canter, especially on home soil. But everyone in cricket knows, that there's a shambolic performance waiting in the wings no matter whether we're at home or away.

England will still rightly go into the World Cup as favourites. Whether they have the discipline, or ability to handle the pressure, I have my doubts.

I am really not sure what your point is, as in one day cricket every single side is capable of having a bad day and everything going tits up.

That’s the nature of the game, however our one day side imo undoubtedly has the right approach and for a number of years now have played brilliant positive cricket.

At 47 this is the best side I have seen by quite some way anarl.

Bit positivity would not go amiss imo

 

[Mrjardine]

I find it incredible and unbelievably negative, we have a brilliant side who are not only very competitive but are also brilliant to watch.

The perfect combination yet some can’t wait to get stuck in to them, could not agree more very strange indeed.

It’s bizarre.

We’ve won 10 ODI series in a row and I believe have beaten all the major sides in that time.

If this was Australia, India etc doing this these doom mongers would be waxing lyrical but because it’s England they want to put boot in for some reason

 

[Voice of fair play]

It’s bizarre.

We’ve won 10 ODI series in a row and I believe have beaten all the major sides in that time.

If this was Australia, India etc doing this these doom mongers would be waxing lyrical but because it’s England they want to put boot in for some reason

I am really not sure what else people would want out of our one day side,I really don’t

 

[Fats]

I don’t recall ever conversing with you on here tbh.

You’ve made a comment I’ve merely asked what’s it’s based on.

It’s called a discussion actually.

OK

You form an opinion, no matter what evidence is put before you, whether it's offered up as discussive points, or that it's there in front of you, you refuse to see it.

In my mind, in all three formats, England have serious problems when the pressure is on. Ridiculous batting collapses; rag doll pie chucking; sloppy fielding etc all come to the fore when the pressure increases. This is where my fears come from.

It's fine if you have no fears. Good, I'm glad, really happy for you. But, would you mind if I continue to hang on to my fears, that way when the opposition need 19 runs to win off 6 balls & manage it with ease I can at least hang on to "I told you so" as some form of consolation?

I am really not sure what your point is, as in one day cricket every single side is capable of having a bad day and everything going tits up.

That’s the nature of the game, however our one day side imo undoubtedly has the right approach and for a number of years now have played brilliant positive cricket.

At 47 this is the best side I have seen by quite some way anarl.

Bit positivity would not go amiss imo

It's simple really.

Yes this is the best one day side we've ever had. Best side by a margin. I am positive, but at the same time I've seen how we react when things aren't going well. My caveat still stands.

 

[Steak Pie]

I'm not sure there's another tactic available. White ball cricket is all about setting a big total, if you don't there's no merit in setting a small one and retaining wickets … it's not like you get another innings to put it right.

It's about getting the most runs or chasing down a target in any given conditions, 200 might win a game that 150 all out wouldn't. And if the ball is doing a bit, or if you lose 2 or 3 wickets early, then you have to adapt.

This is the point others are making. 400+ on a strip of tarmac is great, but you aren't going to get that at Headlingley on an overcast day, so what do you do?

I know it’s such a refreshing approach to our one day cricket, than the sad old days we were just looking to bat the 50 overs.

When it's good it's good, but there doesn't seem to be any other way of playing. And this is the point people are making, there will come a point in tournaments where you are 20/3 and need to graft it out. We don't seem to be able to do that at the minute.

The knock on effect with the Test team isn't worth it IMO, but I know we disagree on this subject.

 

[Mrjardine]

OK

You form an opinion, no matter what evidence is put before you, whether it's offered up as discussive points, or that it's there in front of you, you refuse to see it.

In my mind, in all three formats, England have serious problems when the pressure is on. Ridiculous batting collapses; rag doll pie chucking; sloppy fielding etc all come to the fore when the pressure increases. This is where my fears come from.

It's fine if you have no fears. Good, I'm glad, really happy for you. But, would you mind if I continue to hang on to my fears, that way when the opposition need 19 runs to win off 6 balls & manage it with ease I can at least hang on to "I told you so" as some form of consolation?


It's simple really.

Yes this is the best one day side we've ever had. Best side by a margin. I am positive, but at the same time I've seen how we react when things aren't going well. My caveat still stands.

You are as entitled to your opinion as the next man however if someone disagrees with it on an open forum based on discussion then don’t be too surprised.

I agree our test match form is a concern but we are the number 1 ODI side in the world. If you have concerns about us then god knows what you must make of the rest.

 

[Fats]

You are as entitled to your opinion as the next man however if someone disagrees with it on an open forum based on discussion then don’t be too surprised.

I agree our test match form is a concern but we are the number 1 ODI side in the world. If you have concerns about us then god knows what you must make of the rest.

I couldn't actually give a monkey's chuff about the rest, and that fact that we could win the World Cup by only playing two knock out games is definitely to our advantage. But if you think losing to Scotland; being bowled out for 220 odd at home against Pakistan; being reduced to 20 for 6 at home to South Africa; or being bowled out for 113 against West Indies isn't even a minor concern then I can only way I wish I had some of your blind enthusiasm.

I have a concern. That's the be all & end all of it.

 

[Mrjardine]

I couldn't actually give a monkey's chuff about the rest, and that fact that we could win the World Cup by only playing two knock out games is definitely to our advantage. But if you think losing to Scotland; being bowled out for 220 odd at home against Pakistan; being reduced to 20 for 6 at home to South Africa; or being bowled out for 113 against West Indies isn't even a minor concern then I can only way I wish I had some of your blind enthusiasm.

I have a concern. That's the be all & end all of it.

You don’t give a toss about the rest? You do realise ‘the rest’ will have an influence on how we do in the tournament don’t you?

I’m sure if you forensically analyse ‘the rest’ you’ll find they’ll have had their fair share of poor showings as well. It isn’t just exclusive to England.

We just happen to be the best side in the world at present playing the sort of cricket that has other nations looking in with envious eyes rather than other way round

 

[Fats]

You don’t give a toss about the rest? You do realise ‘the rest’ will have an influence on how we do in the tournament don’t you?

I’m sure if you forensically analyse ‘the rest’ you’ll find they’ll have had their fair share of poor showings as well. It isn’t just exclusive to England.

We just happen to be the best side in the world at present playing the sort of cricket that has other nations looking in with envious eyes rather than other way round

Why do I need to care about the rest? In your opinion it matters not one jot about the rest because we're going to walk all over them. In fact, why not just cancel the tournament & hand the trophy to England now, after all the others won't mind because they're all so envious of us.

 

[Voice of fair play]

OK

You form an opinion, no matter what evidence is put before you, whether it's offered up as discussive points, or that it's there in front of you, you refuse to see it.

In my mind, in all three formats, England have serious problems when the pressure is on. Ridiculous batting collapses; rag doll pie chucking; sloppy fielding etc all come to the fore when the pressure increases. This is where my fears come from.

It's fine if you have no fears. Good, I'm glad, really happy for you. But, would you mind if I continue to hang on to my fears, that way when the opposition need 19 runs to win off 6 balls & manage it with ease I can at least hang on to "I told you so" as some form of consolation?


It's simple really.

Yes this is the best one day side we've ever had. Best side by a margin. I am positive, but at the same time I've seen how we react when things aren't going well. My caveat still stands.

Hway mate you can always pick up on isolated games where things don’t go to plan, it happens to every side.

The bigger picture is the positive vibe and performances of our team is excellent all round, despite one or two hiccups.

I don’t see any underlying issues just the inevitable one or two lapses when you play in such a positive manner.

It's about getting the most runs or chasing down a target in any given conditions, 200 might win a game that 150 all out wouldn't. And if the ball is doing a bit, or if you lose 2 or 3 wickets early, then you have to adapt.

This is the point others are making. 400+ on a strip of tarmac is great, but you aren't going to get that at Headlingley on an overcast day, so what do you do?



When it's good it's good, but there doesn't seem to be any other way of playing. And this is the point people are making, there will come a point in tournaments where you are 20/3 and need to graft it out. We don't seem to be able to do that at the minute.

The knock on effect with the Test team isn't worth it IMO, but I know we disagree on this subject.

Don’t get me wrong the sign of a good side is to be able to adapt to the relevant conditions on a certain day, however I think you been unfair to this side.

Undoubtedly their first mode is of attack and rightly soo, but I think they will be capable of adapting should the need arrive, they have some very intelligent cricketers in the side.

I think the England set up get unfair criticism towards more focus on one day cricket, this is a worldwide focus by nearly all cricketing nations not just England or the ECB.

It’s just the way cricket has gone whether you agree or disagree.

 

[Fats]

Hway mate you can always pick up on isolated games where things don’t go to plan, it happens to every side.

The bigger picture is the positive vibe and performances of our team is excellent all round, despite one or two hiccups.

I don’t see any underlying issues just the inevitable one or two lapses when you play in such a positive manner.

I'm not getting at the team, or indeed the way they play. I'm simply saying that I have concerns. I just can't buy into the claim that we're the best team (even though we are), ergo we're going to win.

 

[Voice of fair play]

I'm not getting at the team, or indeed the way they play. I'm simply saying that I have concerns. I just can't buy into the claim that we're the best team (even though we are), ergo we're going to win.

Yeah there is no guarantee of winning it, India have a brilliant side and are just as capable as us and knockout cricket is always unpredictable.

Put it this way mate although I can see your point to a certain extent, we are going into this World Cup with a lot less concerns that previous ones that’s for sure.

 

[Fats]

Yeah there is no guarantee of winning it, India have a brilliant side and are just as capable as us and knockout cricket is always unpredictable.

Put it this way mate although I can see your point to a certain extent, we are going into this World Cup with a lot less concerns that previous ones that’s for sure.

No argument from me there

 

[Mrjardine]

Why do I need to care about the rest? In your opinion it matters not one jot about the rest because we're going to walk all over them. In fact, why not just cancel the tournament & hand the trophy to England now, after all the others won't mind because they're all so envious of us.

Would you care to point me on direction of where I said this? You seem to be getting all hysterical because I asked you a question.

Perhaps forums of this nature aren’t for you

 

[The Rat]

Some people are so harsh on the team like