Skandhaless
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Blame me.I know that man, but you can imagine I remember that day very well. If I gan back and something else like that happens mind...
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Richy Fingers
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There's a book called Endurance: Shackleton's Incredible Voyage - Wikipedia which is an account of Ernest Shackleton's voyage to the Antarctic along with 27 crew members.
Before they could get there, about 80 miles away, their ship got stuck in ice and was crushed, sinking, leaving Shackleton and his 27 crew members literally stranded on the ice. They drifted for a year, freezing, starving, on the brink of death, before Shackleton decided fuck this. So, with a small crew of 5, in a tiny boat named James Caird, he attempted to cross 650 miles of ice floes to reach South Georgia. 16 days later, after almost dying multiple times, they reached South Georgia. They then crossed mountains that nobody has even dared to attempt at crossing since, and reached a small whaling station on the other side of the island. Here, he organised a rescue party for the rest of his crew and went back for them, and after 20 months adrift in probably the harshest climate on the planet, against all odds, all 27 crew members returned home safely. Not 1 person died during the whole ordeal.
Point being... you are a lot f***ing tougher than you give yourself credit for.
Before they could get there, about 80 miles away, their ship got stuck in ice and was crushed, sinking, leaving Shackleton and his 27 crew members literally stranded on the ice. They drifted for a year, freezing, starving, on the brink of death, before Shackleton decided fuck this. So, with a small crew of 5, in a tiny boat named James Caird, he attempted to cross 650 miles of ice floes to reach South Georgia. 16 days later, after almost dying multiple times, they reached South Georgia. They then crossed mountains that nobody has even dared to attempt at crossing since, and reached a small whaling station on the other side of the island. Here, he organised a rescue party for the rest of his crew and went back for them, and after 20 months adrift in probably the harshest climate on the planet, against all odds, all 27 crew members returned home safely. Not 1 person died during the whole ordeal.
Point being... you are a lot f***ing tougher than you give yourself credit for.
Norwich Red n White
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Just bought the book, sounds a good read!There's a book called Endurance: Shackleton's Incredible Voyage - Wikipedia which is an account of Ernest Shackleton's voyage to the Antarctic along with 27 crew members.
Before they could get there, about 80 miles away, their ship got stuck in ice and was crushed, sinking, leaving Shackleton and his 27 crew members literally stranded on the ice. They drifted for a year, freezing, starving, on the brink of death, before Shackleton decided fuck this. So, with a small crew of 5, in a tiny boat named James Caird, he attempted to cross 650 miles of ice floes to reach South Georgia. 16 days later, after almost dying multiple times, they reached South Georgia. They then crossed mountains that nobody has even dared to attempt at crossing since, and reached a small whaling station on the other side of the island. Here, he organised a rescue party for the rest of his crew and went back for them, and after 20 months adrift in probably the harshest climate on the planet, against all odds, all 27 crew members returned home safely. Not 1 person died during the whole ordeal.
Point being... you are a lot f***ing tougher than you give yourself credit for.
elder
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I know Paul also from way back, he's a cracking lad and I know his charity has helped many and he's actively trying to expand the group throughout the area and beyond as he's aware of the (unfortunate) growing demand.
Aye, sadly so.
Peterlee James
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How much do you guys think that anxiety is linked in with poor sleep?
Il be anxious about something, even something potentially stupid. And I won’t sleep as well thinking about it.. but because I haven’t slept well I feel 10x worse. It’s a viscous cycle for me. But it lasts for days to the point where I can hardly function.
I tend to feel better if I’ve slept very well. But my shifts make that really hard. (4 on 4 off)
I’ve suffered terrible depression before which lasted for months, I don’t feel anywhere as bad luckily.
It’s just extreme periods of “what if” that causing me problems. But as said above I very much think a small issue is escalated by the lack of sleep.
Do you think it’s wise to maybe ask for sleeping tablets? Forgive me if I sound bad here (incase anyone uses them regularly) but I don’t want to have to rely on them. Or does that not become the case?
Great thread this guys x
Il be anxious about something, even something potentially stupid. And I won’t sleep as well thinking about it.. but because I haven’t slept well I feel 10x worse. It’s a viscous cycle for me. But it lasts for days to the point where I can hardly function.
I tend to feel better if I’ve slept very well. But my shifts make that really hard. (4 on 4 off)
I’ve suffered terrible depression before which lasted for months, I don’t feel anywhere as bad luckily.
It’s just extreme periods of “what if” that causing me problems. But as said above I very much think a small issue is escalated by the lack of sleep.
Do you think it’s wise to maybe ask for sleeping tablets? Forgive me if I sound bad here (incase anyone uses them regularly) but I don’t want to have to rely on them. Or does that not become the case?
Great thread this guys
xRoker Mackem
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How much do you guys think that anxiety is linked in with poor sleep?
Il be anxious about something, even something potentially stupid. And I won’t sleep as well thinking about it.. but because I haven’t slept well I feel 10x worse. It’s a viscous cycle for me. But it lasts for days to the point where I can hardly function.
I tend to feel better if I’ve slept very well. But my shifts make that really hard. (4 on 4 off)
I’ve suffered terrible depression before which lasted for months, I don’t feel anywhere as bad luckily.
It’s just extreme periods of “what if” that causing me problems. But as said above I very much think a small issue is escalated by the lack of sleep.
Do you think it’s wise to maybe ask for sleeping tablets? Forgive me if I sound bad here (incase anyone uses them regularly) but I don’t want to have to rely on them. Or does that not become the case?
Great thread this guys
Is it not an option to come off shifts and go to a more regular shift pattern or change jobs?
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becs
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A lot! Lack of sleep makes you more anxious and it's harder to deal with minor things. Something small like for example someone calling you a name that you'd usually just shrug off becomes a big deal when you've had little sleep.
I'm on the fence with sleeping tablets. They can help but a drugged sleep isn't as refreshing as a natural sleep and you can wake up feeling hungover and groggy the next day.
If you are laying there thinking about things, try and put them out of your mind. Some people imagine they have a filing cabinet in their head and imagining filing the thought until the following day helps. Others have a notepad and write things down so that they can deal with them tomorrow.
Have you tried the usual calming stuff before you go to sleep? Warm bath/shower, no caffeine, herbal tea or milky drink, no screens, do something relaxing like reading or listen to music, meditation app etc. Sometimes just laying there saying "I'm going to sleep" over and over in your head helps you forget the problems and drift off. Trying to fix your sleep is better than relying on pills.
Giggity
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How much do you guys think that anxiety is linked in with poor sleep?
Il be anxious about something, even something potentially stupid. And I won’t sleep as well thinking about it.. but because I haven’t slept well I feel 10x worse. It’s a viscous cycle for me. But it lasts for days to the point where I can hardly function.
I tend to feel better if I’ve slept very well. But my shifts make that really hard. (4 on 4 off)
I’ve suffered terrible depression before which lasted for months, I don’t feel anywhere as bad luckily.
It’s just extreme periods of “what if” that causing me problems. But as said above I very much think a small issue is escalated by the lack of sleep.
Do you think it’s wise to maybe ask for sleeping tablets? Forgive me if I sound bad here (incase anyone uses them regularly) but I don’t want to have to rely on them. Or does that not become the case?
Great thread this guys
Hi James.
I think you've got the right idea. Sleep is bloody vital, and massively underrated by those who don't need it so much.
imo, Bad / lack of sleep will make you more susceptible to depression and anxiety, and as you said, that leads to poor sleep the next night. Its a shitty cycle.
I saw the comment below yours about cutting down on the caffeine in the 6hrs before you go to bed, I'd certainly look at that. If you drink a lot today, do not cut it all out, you'll get withdrawal and its pretty shit too. Cut down slowly over a few weeks.
Also, do you drink on a night? It might help you get to sleep, but it screws with your sleep patterns and doesn't help overall.
As for struggling to get to sleep, I know people talk about sleep hygiene (google it for info), but I found it almost impossible to just lie in bed, awake, and to not reach for my phone, tablet etc.
So at least set the "eye comfort" mode on your devices to kick in from ~1-2 hrs before you go to bed on a night.
I know that's hard for you, 4/4 nights/days is a f***ing nightmare for getting good sleep. And I know you probably can't get that changed any time soon.
Maybe mindfulness meditation, while you lie in bed, could help. Try the Calm app - you get the first 10 intro sessions for free. Or headspace, that's got a free into course too.
I didn't pay for the full versions, but they helped.
As for sleeping tablets, that's up to you mate. Maybe give the other things a couple of weeks first, then at least you might get a feel for if you really need them or not? Or have a chat with your GP?
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I've downloaded one of those white noise apps. Will be trying it tonight, see if it helps.
Summer Bee
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I use instant confidence by Paul McKenna, you can listen to it on youtube and it's great for relaxing the body and de-stressing
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How much do you guys think that anxiety is linked in with poor sleep?
Il be anxious about something, even something potentially stupid. And I won’t sleep as well thinking about it.. but because I haven’t slept well I feel 10x worse. It’s a viscous cycle for me. But it lasts for days to the point where I can hardly function.
I tend to feel better if I’ve slept very well. But my shifts make that really hard. (4 on 4 off)
I’ve suffered terrible depression before which lasted for months, I don’t feel anywhere as bad luckily.
It’s just extreme periods of “what if” that causing me problems. But as said above I very much think a small issue is escalated by the lack of sleep.
Do you think it’s wise to maybe ask for sleeping tablets? Forgive me if I sound bad here (incase anyone uses them regularly) but I don’t want to have to rely on them. Or does that not become the case?
Great thread this guys
I think sleep is key for so many people in trying to have good mental health or just trying to feel happy with things.
I have had all sorts of sleep problems over the years and the only 'fix' that works for me is lots of exercise in the daytime. I also have my routine I stick to which helps and love reading so no evening screen time for me, just early to bed with a good book and I am gone.
max wartbug
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I've suggested this before, on other threads regarding sleep.
Try a Yantra Mat/Acupressure Mat;
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8...t=&hvlocphy=9046760&hvtargid=kwd-295948704390
I thought there was no chance it would work, but one definitely helped me sleep when I had things on my mind.
Try a Yantra Mat/Acupressure Mat;
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8...t=&hvlocphy=9046760&hvtargid=kwd-295948704390
I thought there was no chance it would work, but one definitely helped me sleep when I had things on my mind.
Peterlee James
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Il download the app mate and give it a blast.
And the nights I drink where I’m off work I do sleep much better.. well I fall asleep much easier. But then struggle the night after again.
And definitely mate, my plans to try all other options before the sleeping tablets. And use them as a back up plan.
I almost feel if I can somehow get a good (better) sleeping pattern. Il solve a lot of my problems.
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I tried that book but got sick of pressing my fingers together but the rest of the book is canny, I enjoy reading self help books. His sleep book was good and completely worked for me especially after listening to the enclosed hypnosis CD.
Summer Bee
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aye, I haven't got the focus to get through the book but the cd was really good. I lost the cd a while ago, but I found the audio on youtube
Summer Bee
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My best mate struggled for years and years with it. He went to NECA or something like that which really helped
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