Halifax Grooming Gang

Panhead said:
Rape is rape fella. I don't care if it is committed by a christian, catholic, muslim, hindu, sikh or other. Key word is rapist
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Then you're a fool and i don't believe you have the job you claim.

Causes of actions matter...

if it was one grroming gang I wouldn't say it... probly even get away with 5. We're on to about 20 now... and it isn't slowing down.

dangermows said:
If it wasn't for the Quran no Muslim would ever rape someone iirc.

What does the Hindu religion teach about rape by the way, as gang rape is absolutely rife in India?
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Probly just as horrible stuff...
 


dangermows said:
If it wasn't for the Quran no Muslim would ever rape someone iirc.

What does the Hindu religion teach about rape by the way, as gang rape is absolutely rife in India?
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Are Indian rape gangs bringing their rape culture to the UK and other countries and specifically raping vulnerable white girls?

Edit, horrible fuckers too, anyone committing any sexual offence are animals.
 
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Boris Bear said:
You’ve said already...now shut the fuck up ya odious twat
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No one's forcing you to be here.

There are other threads you can be on.

Mr.Thunders said:
Can you throw up some articles about it then from reputable sources and I'll get back to you?

As in putting a well structured arugment that supports the theory?

Off to read Colin Powell
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As a Rotherham grooming gang survivor, I want people to know about the religious extremism which inspired my abusers
"They made it clear that because I was a non-Muslim, and not a virgin, and because I didn’t dress “modestly”, that they believed I deserved to be “punished”. They said I had to “obey” or be beaten."

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"He went to an islamic faith school where he was taught women are worthless"





'Imams promote grooming rings', Muslim leader claims
Or what about Dr Taj Hargey, imam of the Oxford Islamic Congregation, said race and religion were inextricably linked to the recent spate of grooming rings in which Muslim men have targeted under-age white girls.

"The activities of the Oxford sex ring are “bound up with religion and race” because all the men - though of different nationalities - were Muslim and they “deliberately targeted vulnerable white girls, whom they appeared to regard as 'easy meat'"


Sexual and gender-based violence is used as a tactic of terrorism | Swedish Foreign Policy Stories
Or perharps when the Swedish Government did an investigation into their own rise in grooming gang's and they concluded:

"The link between terrorism and rape undertaken by Islamist gangs was not being ignored."
"Religious indoctrination is a big part of the process of getting young men involved in grooming gang crime."
 
r@mside said:
I've not seen reports of prosecutions of officials, if that's what you mean.

There have been a number of sackings though and at least one IOPC inquiry into South Yorkshire cops.

The Jay Report exposed the full trail of blunders and over sights the various people responsible for the care of the vulnerable and the failings of the dysfunctional system as a whole.

PS, I hope you're not thinking I'm trying to divert from the heinous acts of these scum bags.
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Nope not at all mate, and as you say a few sackings which is hardly any sort of redress for what they did
 
Zig81 said:
Maybe because we don’t use religion to the extent they do, you know using as an excuse for issuing death threats and grooming vulnerable white girls. Maybe we have moved on a few hundred years and realised that religion is a load of made up bullshit.

Just because a Muslim drinks, smokes drugs, fucks kids etc doesn’t mean they aren’t Muslim, they’ll still pray more times a day than I piss and carry out all other Muslim religious beliefs.
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It's already been proven they don't specifically target white girls though marra. If they did there wouldn't be non white victims. It just so happens there are many more white girls who are vulnerable.

Well if you are saying the religion is the reason, then surely on the flip side they'd not be doing all the things it forbids. You can't pick and choose when religion is to blame and when they ignore it.

Like I said, I've no problem saying it's an issue predominantly with the Pakistani community, but the religion but I'm yet to be convinced.
 
dangermows said:
It's already been proven they don't specifically target white girls though marra. If they did there wouldn't be non white victims. It just so happens there are many more white girls who are vulnerable.

Well if you are saying the religion is the reason, then surely on the flip side they'd not be doing all the things it forbids. You can't pick and choose when religion is to blame and when they ignore it.

Like I said, I've no problem saying it's an issue predominantly with the Pakistani community, but the religion but I'm yet to be convinced.
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Do they target Muslim girls? Of course they’re a many more vulnerable white girls, at this time white people are the majority so that tells me they’re be more vulnerable white girls.

Like I’m saying now, the Pakistani community is predominantly Muslim, the problem in your words is predominantly an issue within the Pakistani community, the two go hand in hand.

I’ll think you’ll find a lot of people do pick and choose when religion is to blame and when to ignore it.
 
Aituk7 said:
On the other hand look at a fellow labour MP who brought it up and what happened to her

Rotherham MP Sarah Champion faced fury for sex gangs article in The Sun

Sarah Champion resigns as shadow equalities minister
Labour MP wrote controversial article in the Sun saying ‘Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping white girls’


It was only 50 of the 53 men in rotherham :rolleyes:

i think they stopped asking after that
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Did they prove all 50 were actually Muslim marra? If so, how?

Zig81 said:
Do they target Muslim girls? Of course they’re a many more vulnerable white girls, at this time white people are the majority so that tells me they’re be more vulnerable white girls.

Like I’m saying now, the Pakistani community is predominantly Muslim, the problem in your words is predominantly an issue within the Pakistani community, the two go hand in hand.

I’ll think you’ll find a lot of people do pick and choose when religion is to blame and when to ignore it.
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So you've just argued against your point that they specifically target white girls. Which is good, as it's been proven they don't. Even one of the victims confirmed they don't.

You're missing my point. How can you say the majority are practicing the faith? It seems people simply label Pakistanis as Muslims. In that case I will call white folks Christians, regardless if they actually practice it/follow it and blame any wrong doings that white people do on the religion.

I know they do, and it's wrong. You cant say the religion is to blame if these same people ignore most of the teachings. It's daft to say so.

It's an issue with the Pakistani community in the main. Evidence tells us that. Anything else beyond that is either guess work or bias thinking.

Zig81 said:
Are Indian rape gangs bringing their rape culture to the UK and other countries and specifically raping vulnerable white girls?

Edit, horrible fuckers too, anyone committing any sexual offence are animals.
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Again, they're not specifically targeting white girls. If there were more vulnerable black girls they'd be targeting them. The key word is vulnerable, and as you say, more whites live here, so naturally there are more white victims.

Boris Bear said:
You’ve said already...now shut the fuck up ya odious twat
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:lol:

Zig81 said:
Do they target Muslim girls?
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What do you reckon they'd do to white Muslim girls? Bit of a conundrum that one for them.
 
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dangermows said:
Did they prove all 50 were actually Muslim marra? If so, how?



So you've just argued against your point that they specifically target white girls. Which is good, as it's been proven they don't. Even one of the victims confirmed they don't.

You're missing my point. How can you say the majority are practicing the faith? It seems people simply label Pakistanis as Muslims. In that case I will call white folks Christians, regardless if they actually practice it/follow it and blame any wrong doings that white people do on the religion.

I know they do, and it's wrong. You cant say the religion is to blame if these same people ignore most of the teachings. It's daft to say so.

It's an issue with the Pakistani community in the main. Evidence tells us that. Anything else beyond that is either guess work or bias thinking.
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The overriding evidence is that there are paedophiles across all races, religions and age ranges who predominantly men.

This isn't a political thing it's central to how we as a nation protect the most vulnerable members of our community.

And it's not a new thing either:

Age of innocence
 
dangermows said:
Did they prove all 50 were actually Muslim marra? If so, how?



So you've just argued against your point that they specifically target white girls. Which is good, as it's been proven they don't. Even one of the victims confirmed they don't.

You're missing my point. How can you say the majority are practicing the faith? It seems people simply label Pakistanis as Muslims. In that case I will call white folks Christians, regardless if they actually practice it/follow it and blame any wrong doings that white people do on the religion.

I know they do, and it's wrong. You cant say the religion is to blame if these same people ignore most of the teachings. It's daft to say so.

It's an issue with the Pakistani community in the main. Evidence tells us that. Anything else beyond that is either guess work or bias thinking.



Again, they're not specifically targeting white girls. If there were more vulnerable black girls they'd be targeting them. The key word is vulnerable, and as you say, more whites live here, so naturally there are more white victims.
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I'm not saying religion is to blame, I'm saying the grooming gangs are predominantly from the Muslim faith, you can't argue otherwise. Your use of the word devout or practising doesn't mean they're not Muslims.

Are you suggesting they haven't targeted predominantly vulnerable white girls? I'd think even without digging the stats for this would be pretty much in my favour. Can you post a link or two to these grooming gangs targeting other girls, I recall they targeted the Sikh community, any other communities been specifically targeted?

Evidence also tells us that the Pakistani community are predominantly Muslim which tells me if it's a Pakistani community issue then there's a very good chance they'll be Muslim, that isn't guess work or bias thinking as you strangely put it, it's fact.

dangermows said:
Did they prove all 50 were actually Muslim marra? If so, how?



So you've just argued against your point that they specifically target white girls. Which is good, as it's been proven they don't. Even one of the victims confirmed they don't.

You're missing my point. How can you say the majority are practicing the faith? It seems people simply label Pakistanis as Muslims. In that case I will call white folks Christians, regardless if they actually practice it/follow it and blame any wrong doings that white people do on the religion.

I know they do, and it's wrong. You cant say the religion is to blame if these same people ignore most of the teachings. It's daft to say so.

It's an issue with the Pakistani community in the main. Evidence tells us that. Anything else beyond that is either guess work or bias thinking.



Again, they're not specifically targeting white girls. If there were more vulnerable black girls they'd be targeting them. The key word is vulnerable, and as you say, more whites live here, so naturally there are more white victims.



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What do you reckon they'd do to white Muslim girls? Bit of a conundrum that one for them.
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You tell me what they do, you seem to be a bit of an expert(guessing) on these Muslim/non Muslim Pakistani nonces.
 
MakemX said:
The overriding evidence is that there are paedophiles across all races, religions and age ranges who predominantly men.

This isn't a political thing it's central to how we as a nation protect the most vulnerable members of our community.

And it's not a new thing either:

Age of innocence
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Yup. However it's fair to say it tend to be Asians in groups/gangs and whites being lone wolves. Would you agree?
Zig81 said:
I'm not saying religion is to blame, I'm saying the grooming gangs are predominantly from the Muslim faith, you can't argue otherwise. Your use of the word devout or practising doesn't mean they're not Muslims.

Are you suggesting they haven't targeted predominantly vulnerable white girls? I'd think even without digging the stats for this would be pretty much in my favour. Can you post a link or two to these grooming gangs targeting other girls, I recall they targeted the Sikh community, any other communities been specifically targeted?

Evidence also tells us that the Pakistani community are predominantly Muslim which tells me if it's a Pakistani community issue then there's a very good chance they'll be Muslim, that isn't guess work or bias thinking as you strangely put it, it's fact.
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Do you call white british people Christians, even if you've no idea if they actually are? And practicing it (or not) does make a difference. A big difference. As that is what makes you of a certain faith or not. If an Asian bloke of Pakistani origin doesn't bother with Islam he is no more Muslim than me.

You can't specifically target a group and then be raping people from other groups man marra, that's not specifically targeting. You keep arguing against your own point. Yes it's predominantly white girls (not specifically though) because they are the targest ethnic group. But the key here is vulnerable. If no white girls were vulnerable nor woukd be targeted. I will find the link where a victim says they didn't specifically target white girls (think there were three or four none whites amongst the victims).
 
dangermows said:
Yup. However it's fair to say it tend to be Asians in groups/gangs and whites being lone wolves. Would you agree?


Do you call white british people Christians, even if you've no idea if they actually are? And practicing it (or not) does make a difference. A big difference. As that is what makes you of a certain faith or not. If an Asian bloke of Pakistani origin doesn't bother with Islam he is no more Muslim than me.

You can't specifically target a group and then be raping people from other groups man marra, that's not specifically targeting. You keep arguing against your own point. Yes it's predominantly white girls (not specifically though) because they are the targest ethnic group. But the key here is vulnerable. If no white girls were vulnerable nor woukd be targeted. I will find the link where a victim says they didn't specifically target white girls (think there were three or four none whites amongst the victims).
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I think his viewpoint is a bit weird considering he is a left-footer.

My point is (in agreement with you) that it's absolutely ridiculous to assume religion based on race. In today's society as well, where education is so readily available at our fingertips.
 
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dangermows said:
Yup. However it's fair to say it tend to be Asians in groups/gangs and whites being lone wolves. Would you agree?


Do you call white british people Christians, even if you've no idea if they actually are? And practicing it (or not) does make a difference. A big difference. As that is what makes you of a certain faith or not. If an Asian bloke of Pakistani origin doesn't bother with Islam he is no more Muslim than me.

You can't specifically target a group and then be raping people from other groups man marra, that's not specifically targeting. You keep arguing against your own point. Yes it's predominantly white girls (not specifically though) because they are the targest ethnic group. But the key here is vulnerable. If no white girls were vulnerable nor woukd be targeted. I will find the link where a victim says they didn't specifically target white girls (think there were three or four none whites amongst the victims).
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You've said the issue is predominantly within the Pakistani community, yes? A quick search shows you that 90% of British Pakistanis are Muslim, 50 out of 53 nonces in the Rotherham case were Muslim, do you see a trend here?

So out of how many girls in the case you're using for your argument were white? I'd hazard a guess a fair few more than the 3 or 4 non white, do you know the race of the non white girls too?

I really can't understand why you want to get into a debate over this, I couldn't bring myself to try and justify it isn't a race/religious issue, it's gone in far too long and far too many young girls lives have been destroyed by Pakistani/Muslim/Asian grooming gangs.

Leave it there as this something close to my heart and family related.
 
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r@mside said:
Yes, it doesn't seem enough.

@MakemX has made the best contribution on this thread, lessons need to be learned and there should be a greater focus on protecting those at risk today.
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They are effectively pensioned off, much like when a senior copper makes a massive fuck up, there's no action they are just pensioned off, on the quiet.
Maybe it's a British thing of rather than looking for answers, or redress, it's just easier shipping people out and chuck out the age old we will learn lessons from our mistakes etc etc
 
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