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Comeback_Kenwyne said:
I still fancy Bairstow as an opener, but up to him - but yes, bring him in.

Also, Stone for Anderson.

Terrific series win... Really fantastic effort. Credit to the spinners, but also - we've seen three great hundreds. The two from Foakes and Root are right up there with the very best of England abroad.



We'll see how he develops, but I'd be amazed if Curran turns into a new ball bowler. I certainly think he'll end up a batting all-rounder and may be he'll end up as a top order batsman. His technique is absolutely superb and he just seems too small and slow to be anything other than an occasional fourth or even fifth seamer.

So much could happen given his age. But Stuart Broad was a batsman transitioning to a bowler when he was a teenager, and I wouldn't be surprised if Curran goes the other way.
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I'm obviously only basing this on the Championship, but Sam is lethal for us with the new nut.

I get that Test cricket is a class apart, but I genuinely fail to see why, particularly in swinging conditions, he couldn't be able to open the bowling with a brand new cherry
 

chunkylover53 said:
Bairstow averages 30 over the last 2 years. He barely deserves a place in the team
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I think he is the one under pressure yes. But he's such a talented cricketer too, so I go both ways on him. He's not worth his place in the middle order at the moment, certainly.

TheRey said:
I'm obviously only basing this on the Championship, but Sam is lethal for us with the new nut.

I get that Test cricket is a class apart, but I genuinely fail to see why, particularly in swinging conditions, he couldn't be able to open the bowling with a brand new cherry
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If he can find a yard of pace maybe, but at the moment I think because of his height he has to bowl quite full, which means the swing is a bit too much from the arm and/or doesn't really get any nibble off the surface. He could get better though and his mentality is absolutely superb.
 
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Comeback_Kenwyne said:
I think he is the one under pressure yes. But he's such a talented cricketer too, so I go both ways on him. He's not worth his place in the middle order at the moment, certainly.



If he can find a yard of pace maybe, but at the moment I think because of his height he has to bowl quite full, which means the swing is a bit too much from the arm and/or doesn't really get any nibble off the surface. He could get better though and his mentality is absolutely superb.
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Fair point about from the arm, but he got a lot of good indian batsman out in the summer, 14 at 25 so far is OK
 
The Rat said:
I think he could specifically be a new ball bowler in England as he swings it as much as anyone I have seen recently, its his 2nd and 3rd spells that might be the problem, although he also reverses it.

I could see Bairstow as an opener for sure

I am not convinced Jennings will be a success in England, but it doesn't matter for me, he really can play spin well, we almost have a ready made batsman there for everytime we tour. Just takes brave selections.



Give over man, he was in as an all rounder, batting lower down the order, often with the tail, taking massive risks

People need to stop this obsession with just averages like, it doesn't remotely tell the true story at all.

Bairstow is one of the best red ball players in England, and he Root and Bayliss know this



You have to play them all, find a way, they are the best cricketers in England, who cares about where they bat

That is the attitude of Smith, Bayliss and Root, and I am on board with it

One thing about Bairstow is everytime he is challenged, and actually gets his head round it, he succeeds.

Also Foakes had a poor year last year, I want him in the side, but its not guranteed the Aussies will not be all over him, its totally different cricket, same with Jennings etc

I've been totally guilty of worrying about averages in the past, but only tells part of the story IMO
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I disagree with you
 
For the first time since 1989 I fancy us to win an Ashes series before a ball is bowled. With all these all rounders England are not really a traditional test team but are different and very hard to beat at home.
 
chunkylover53 said:
And averages 30 in the last 2 years
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You are being very harsh, you seem to have it in for him for some reason. short memory.

why are you obsessed with averages also? he bats at 7, do you know how many times he has given his wicket away unselfishly trying to get runs with the tail?
 
The Rat said:
You are being very harsh, you seem to have it in for him for some reason. short memory.

why are you obsessed with averages also? he bats at 7, do you know how many times he has given his wicket away unselfishly trying to get runs with the tail?
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I don’t, I think he has been excellent with the white ball.

And he hasn’t always batted 7 as you well know
 
Anyone who wants to know what the England regime may be plotting needs only look at the Lions in the UAE, where Gubbins is getting an audition as opener and Roy is batting three.

Jonny needs to sort his head out quick and accept England see him as a batsman, not a wicket-keeper or he won't be playing at all.
 
He also needs to get his head in order and sort out where he'll be playing his county cricket from next season. Still hasn't extended with Yorkshire. Not sure when his contract expires but it's before April.
 
Silly Point said:
He also needs to get his head in order and sort out where he'll be playing his county cricket from next season. Still hasn't extended with Yorkshire. Not sure when his contract expires but it's before April.
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Bizarre that, given he's on a central contract and got nothing to lose.
 
smoker said:
Anyone who wants to know what the England regime may be plotting needs only look at the Lions in the UAE, where Gubbins is getting an audition as opener and Roy is batting three.

Jonny needs to sort his head out quick and accept England see him as a batsman, not a wicket-keeper or he won't be playing at all.
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I think he will, I think its slightly unfair that he got replaced when injured, but I reckon he can accept it if its Foakes, as Bairstow is a better keeper than Buttler.

I back him to overcome it

I've had a season ticket on and off with Middlesex and I am not convinced by Gubbins
 
smoker said:
Bizarre that, given he's on a central contract and got nothing to lose.
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Original article here if you're interested. 3 months on and nothing has changed. All very odd if you ask me given his excellent relationship with the club and the supporters. Never given any indication of being unhappy until now. Can often be found supporting the lads while sitting and chatting with supporters when being "rested" by the ECB.
 
chunkylover53 said:
Last 2 years mate

Anyway, we disagree. That’s fine
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Of course all about opinions, I do think you are being too simplistic mind, averages don't tell all the story.

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Original article here if you're interested. 3 months on and nothing has changed. All very odd if you ask me given his excellent relationship with the club and the supporters. Never given any indication of being unhappy until now. Can often be found supporting the lads while sitting and chatting with supporters when being "rested" by the ECB.
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Strange, must be some he is close to being forced out

Maybe he wants a fresh start in an environment that he doesn't know anyone
 
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Original article here if you're interested. 3 months on and nothing has changed. All very odd if you ask me given his excellent relationship with the club and the supporters. Never given any indication of being unhappy until now. Can often be found supporting the lads while sitting and chatting with supporters when being "rested" by the ECB.
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Surrey tapped him up? :lol:
 
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