The sunderland strangler Steven greivson

In a civil case to be found guilty it doesn't have to 'be beyond reasonable doubt' just on the 'balance of probability'

Yes, and I'd add that such was the emotion involved with the case it was difficult for Heron to get a fair trail. Wasn't his solicitor's shop firebombed? And, Heron wasn't there to defend himself.

I would have thought that whoever brutally murdered that little girl, considering the ferocity of the attack, there was a lot of rage involved in that; had either killed before or has killed since. I think we would have heard since of Heron had he been guilty.
 


People need to be careful about what they post on here. Family members of any of the lost Monkwearmouth school pupils could read or post on this board. I’m sure they don’t want to have to relive these traumatic events. By all means discuss how much of a scumbag SG is, but some are dragging up more details than needed and bringing victims names into it. Rant over.
 
I was only a toddler when this happened but I went to monkwearmouth in 2001. There’s a plaque and a tree planted in the main forecourt for the 4 lads. Never understood what actually happened until coming across this thread

It’s featured in a documentary on YouTube called murdertown. Came across it tonight
 
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Worked with a lad a few years ago who claimed Grieveson was fitted up and he was a canny lad really, showed us pictures of them together and went on as if it was all just a conspiracy .

f***ing odd bloke.
His initials weren’t PG were they.
At the time of the murders the police arrested a lad at our factory and took his tool box away. He knocked about in the same circles as Greivson. Nothing was found to link him to the murders but shortly after lads were being made redundant and that was the excuse to get rid of him. He was a strange critter.
 
Grievson was born in Pennywell and must have moved to Roker when he was about 10.

He was in my class at Grindon Infants and was off the scale then...he used to sit above the subway next to the Hastings Hill and push rocks off as we walked through with our parents.

At that age he walked to school and back alone and was always in bother
 
After watching that documentary it’s mentioned that police were dealing with another 5 murders in the city so were quick to dismiss the bairns in 1990. There is definitely more victims to this Grieveson fella. It’s weird got me not knowing the full story and only seeing articles and watching documentaries but the first victim(won’t say his name as his family might be on here) and Grieveson’s name was always linked together by my mam over the years. She went to school with the lad who was murdered in 1990 and she always thought he was behind it
 
Hmm, I'm not sure about this point - "Police also did not consider it might have been a sexual assault."

I remember the original inquiry and the suspect at the time was asked if he was gay by the police. I believe the police knew there was a sexual element to the murder.

I would believe practically anything that was said about the incompetence shown by the police at that time.
The fact the families had to go on television pleading for something to be done as the police said it wasn't murder, is a still to this day an absolute f***ing disgrace!
 
I would believe practically anything that was said about the incompetence shown by the police at that time.
The fact the families had to go on television pleading for something to be done as the police said it wasn't murder, is a still to this day an absolute f***ing disgrace!
I'm specifically referring to the Simon Martin case in 1990 , not the three later on.
 
His initials weren’t PG were they.
At the time of the murders the police arrested a lad at our factory and took his tool box away. He knocked about in the same circles as Greivson. Nothing was found to link him to the murders but shortly after lads were being made redundant and that was the excuse to get rid of him. He was a strange critter.
Hmm, I'm not sure about this point - "Police also did not consider it might have been a sexual assault."

I remember the original inquiry and the suspect at the time was asked if he was gay by the police. I believe the police knew there was a sexual element to the murder.
This weirdo I’m asking about is gay.
 
I agree.

I know loads of people claim to be ITK wrt the Nikki Allen murder but I would still hold Grieveson up as a prime suspect for this.

I’m very much a Southsider (and all the better for it) and I met Grieveson on two occasions. The first time would have been about 86 or 87. Friends and I were fishing on the South side of the river under Monkwearmouth Bridge, he turned up alone and gave us a load of spiel about wanting to fish the next evening and “would we be back again?” In my memory I recall saying I would be back, but for some reason all the other lads said they wouldn’t. Again, on reflection, I remember him talking to me and me alone from that moment on. Thankfully I didn’t go fishing the next day.

The next time I saw him him was around 89. Again I was fishing on the south side of the river, but a bit further east, towards Corporation Quay, but not quite that far. He was with another lad, much taller but seemingly dim with black hair. He asked if he could take a bit of bait, it was late in the day so I said yes, he tried to take it all, plus tackle and a knife. I said “you’re not taking all that”, we exchanged words and he punched me in the face, it was pathetic. A really soft punch, but the other bigger lad was looming, so I let it go. I was only 13/14 before I get any sarcy comments. The next day my older brother and I found him on Roker pier and took everything back off him. All of this clearly demonstrates a manipulative bully as far as I’m concerned.

WRT Nikki Allen, people say the murder doesn’t match his MO, but it does. 3 poor boys were strangled I know, and may they RIP, but his first murder was a “frenzied attack” with a brick. The Nikki Allen murder, poor bairn, was a “frenzied attack” with a knife. Not a world of difference IMHO. He certainly spent time on the south side of the river too, so could have easily been stalking- out the Garth’s, the Exchange etc.

That is chilling reading that
 

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