Ben Gardner
Winger
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Libertine
Winger
Ben Gardner
Winger
If you’d rather have a go at a man for ‘mansplaining’ rather than address the oppression of women in conservative Islamic communities then I’d say you’re not seeing the wood for the trees and are denying the reality of things in order to push a first-world feminist viewpoint.
If you want true gender equality it shouldn’t matter than I’m a man saying that banning the burqa is better for women. Objectively - it is. The burqa is a tool of oppression.
We have no idea. But let's take away any doubt and just not let them do it anyway. Yay.
weebil64
Striker
I don't know, do you?
Bikini? Which high street is this?
Bu that's the entire point. You're not even f***ing attempting to address the oppression of women at all. You're simply replacing one type of oppression with another type. Because you think you know what's best for women.
You'll notice I've not commented on whether I think the burkha is right or wrong, or whether I think it's oppressive. Because that's another argument. This is about men saying they know what's best for women and telling them what they can wear. ON BOTH SIDES.
Exactly. There are different ways of tackling oppression of women in Asian and Islamic communities. But they're longer term, they are mainly about education and inclusion, and they don't get arseholes column inches.
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Libertine
Winger
No. That's why i asked. You appeared to be ITK
Bikini tops and shorts it said. Up and down the country.
joemcdokes
Striker
I once saw a woman in the full regalia at Alton Towers with Calvin Klein logo all over them, she had lovely eyes so I smiled at her, no idea if she smiled back or not.
Again, I've yet to see anyone in a bikini top in my local high street. T shirts, or short vest tops yes. Bras? no.
Maybe I'm old, and the kids are all doing it now.
Who's we? If we have no idea, why assert that they're doing it out of choice. I think its unlikely that anyone would dress like that if they had the choice.
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We know some do it out of choice (because they say they do) and we know some are oppressed. There are no studies on how many are in each bucket.
Like I said earlier, there are lots of fashion trends I don't understand. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean other people don't choose to wear it. You're looking at it through a different lens.
weebil64
Striker
I never said a word, it must have been my face covering confusing you.
I'm sure there are some, but if I were being made to wear a garment, I'm unlikely to have the freedom to say I didn't want to wear it. I don't see a way of stopping women being forced to wear it other than by law, unfortunately. It would appear we have to chose between allowing some women to chose to wear it, but allowing others to be forced to and forcing all women not to wear it. (in public at least)
Keawyeds
Striker
I must admit I'm not a fan of Burkas, but in the same way that I'm not a fan of people covering their face in most social situations.
I find it a bit rude in a way. It puts a barrier up between them and me.
If you think about it, I suppose it makes you feel a bit exposed.
If I'm going to speak to someone I'd like to actually see them. It's people who work in services like the NHS that I feel for when they are faced with or not faced with a situation like this. It must be quite confrontational.
It's an item of clothing at the end of the day. I don't like it, but I also don't like skinny jeans, Newcastle Shirts, TAP OUT whatevers, massive bows lasses wear for some reason, and a shitload of other things.
If I was in a position of power or a position where my gob would get me into a lot of trouble, I wouldn't call women who wear Burkas "Letter Boxes" or "Burglars", because I'm not a twat.
I find it a bit rude in a way. It puts a barrier up between them and me.
If you think about it, I suppose it makes you feel a bit exposed.
If I'm going to speak to someone I'd like to actually see them. It's people who work in services like the NHS that I feel for when they are faced with or not faced with a situation like this. It must be quite confrontational.
It's an item of clothing at the end of the day. I don't like it, but I also don't like skinny jeans, Newcastle Shirts, TAP OUT whatevers, massive bows lasses wear for some reason, and a shitload of other things.
If I was in a position of power or a position where my gob would get me into a lot of trouble, I wouldn't call women who wear Burkas "Letter Boxes" or "Burglars", because I'm not a twat.
The one where I don't want women treated like 2nd class citizens. Why is it different in this case?
Unbalanced Views
Winger
Rowan Atkinson writing in The Times:-
“All jokes about religion cause offence, so it’s pointless apologising for them. You should really only apologise for a bad joke. On that basis, no apology is required.”
“All jokes about religion cause offence, so it’s pointless apologising for them. You should really only apologise for a bad joke. On that basis, no apology is required.”
joemcdokes
Striker
Blind people can't see anyone.
Indeed. So why is one choice better than the other? Why is one man women what they can’t wear better than another telling women what they can’t wear?
