Predatory paedophile rings...with charitable status

[the boot]

I did on another thread mawks

So did he by the sound of your post.
I never understand this type of post, as though your setting him up or something. Embarrassing really.

 

[Bulmers]

Gans to the very top. Plenty of lads on here said it for years.

Unfortunately it all gets hushed up.



Why you putting flavours on paedos? Serious question. When none whatsoever are needed. They're all vile beasts.

Bluntly it's so a bunch of right wing scumbags could make up some stats to further an entirely separate hate campaign

 

[Mr.Thunders]

The similarlities are kids being abused. The MO and motivations are different.

With grooming gangs I believe it's a cultural thing where girls outside the religion are looked upon as worthless.

With the monks I believe they choose to be monks to get access to young boys.


Take it up with CEOP you f***ing prick

Can you not see similarities in both the MO and motivations for sex offenders though?

Asian muslim grooming gangs (topical) and lone wolf type groomers (stats will show they are more likely to be white) both pray on vulnerable folk,take advantage using drugs and alcohol to snare victims? Would you agree.

As for figures in authority like teachers,priests and such criminologists have theories on them as well.

So did he by the sound of your post.
I never understand this type of post, as though your setting him up or something. Embarrassing really.

No one asked you to join in mawky.Back to travellers fo you

 

[mini-x2]

Anyone who is a religious nut isn’t to be trusted with bairns ,it’s just this day and age Islam seems to have more than its fair share if you go off the recent press it receives .

Anyone who is religious is a nut.

 

[Deleted member 27677]

Anyone who is religious is a nut.

That’s my point mate ,NOT to be trusted

 

[WHD]

Can you not see similarities in both the MO and motivations for sex offenders though?

MO - no, it's different (not totally though, vulnerable youngsters are being abused).

Motivation - no, the grooming gangs target teenage girls, the monks/priests target pre pubescent boys

 

[the boot]

Can you not see similarities in both the MO and motivations for sex offenders though?

Asian muslim grooming gangs (topical) and lone wolf type groomers (stats will show they are more likely to be white) both pray on vulnerable folk,take advantage using drugs and alcohol to snare victims? Would you agree.

As for figures in authority like teachers,priests and such criminologists have theories on them as well.



No one asked you to join in mawky.Back to travellers fo you

Someone’s got a crush hasn’t he?
I’m flattered.

 

[Mr.Thunders]

MO - no, it's different (not totally though, vulnerable youngsters are being abused).

Motivation - no, the grooming gangs target teenage girls, the monks/priests target pre pubescent boys

So a lone wolf type groomer who targets teenage girls or boys (the types caught in Dark justice and guardians of the north) has a different motivation and MO to groom than a gang?

You said motivation is to "target teenagers" as well,makes no sense really

 

[WHD]

So a lone wolf type groomer who targets teenage girls or boys (the types caught in Dark justice and guardians of the north) has a different motivation and MO to groom than a gang?

You said motivation is to "target teenagers" as well,makes no sense really

A lone wolf by definition has a different MO to a gang.

And I never said anything about "motivation" is to "target teenagers"

 

[The King of Um]

MO - no, it's different (not totally though, vulnerable youngsters are being abused).

Motivation - no, the grooming gangs target teenage girls, the monks/priests target pre pubescent boys

I wonder how much of that is simply about opportunity and access to particular groups.

 

[Boz33]

Vile bastards committing dreadful crimes and wicked people covering up their offending. Eventually the perpetrators of the abuse get convicted but we really need to start going after those in power who are turning a blind eye or covering up the actions of the these criminals.

There are people up and down the land with knowledge of abuse on their concence but they're getting off scot free. It has to stop.

Yep, those effectively facilitating the abuse by turning a blind eye, or indeed covering up need to be in the dock right after the paedos and send a strong message out that any covering up of these types of crimes will carry weighty sentences.
As for faith schools such as ampleforth or indeed any boarding school, a root and branch investigation needs to be opened regardless of any protests to make sure they are all squeaky clean as cases like these will continue to pop up

 

[Mr.Thunders]

A lone wolf by definition has a different MO to a gang.

And I never said anything about "motivation" is to "target teenagers"

How it reads like but nevermind

 

[The King of Um]

The underlying problems - which don't get talked about enough in discussions about who's worst from priests/islamic gangs/BBC presenters/scoutmasters etc - are both simple and horrifying.

In many situations where men have access to and power of some kind over children, abuse often happens.

Men who are drawn to children will often pursue careers/vocations/volunteering into those situations to get access to children

Where that abuse happens in organisations, often the interests of the organisation are given priority over the victims, and cover up often happens.

 

[Boz33]

The underlying problems - which don't get talked about enough in discussions about who's worst from priests/islamic gangs/BBC presenters/scoutmasters etc - are both simple and horrifying.

In many situations where men have access to and power of some kind over children, abuse often happens.

Men who are drawn to children will often pursue careers/vocations/volunteering into those situations to get access to children

Where that abuse happens in organisations, often the interests of the organisation are given priority over the victims, and cover up often happens.

It's mad isn't it in the modern world, Beyoncé could fart and it's front page headlines the world over, but we have numerous cases of abuse whether it be in schools, charitable organisations, Muslim grooming gangs, care homes or any other number of locations or situations and it feels like the authorities have to be almost shamed into launching any meaningful, effective widespread investigations

 

[Aituk7]

Apologies @Aituk7 said Allah's "actions" makes muslims groom.

You dont see any similarities between the cases?

Do you have a better excuse?

The schools “prioritised the monks and their own reputations over the protection of children … in order to avoid scandal”.

Over forty years of a culture of rape and sexual abuse of children in two leading Catholic private schools. Perpetrators not reported to the police, or just moved on without any kind of punishment. Monks avoiding giving information to or cooperating with those investigating abuse. Allegations dealt with internally, and never referred to the police when there were clear criminal offences committed.

Both schools effectively ignoring the Nolan Report on the safeguarding of childen in the church in 2001, and the Church letting them do that. One former headmaster of Downside “made several trips with a wheelbarrow with files to the edge of the estate and made a bonfire of them”.

Neither school has made public apology or established any kind of redress to the victims.

Both the schools and the religious foundations that run them should lose their charitable status. I can't see why on earth they should be effectively subsidised by the tax payer to at best ignore child protection, at worst have a decades long culture of conspiring to cover up the rape of children. For each perpetrator unreported to the police, there were many of the clergy there that knew, and let this happen. This is awful, and astonishing, and although some of the individuals have been brought to justice, many have not, and the organisations have not had to pay the price for this - and they should.


(And then the very interesting postscript to this one. Two senior social services staff (one the actual designated Safeguarding Officer, the other the Deputy Director of Children’s Services) both gave evidence to the enquiry that while dealing with one case about a priest accused of abuse, they had two calls from the office of the Secretary of State for Education asking for information about the case that they were not prepared to give as it was a live child protection and police case. One was then phoned - she testified to the inquiry - by the Secretary of State himself, Michael Gove, who again asked for information that they did not release.

Gove and the DfE ‘cannot recall’ making any such calls. Is an odd thing for the two professionals to make up, especially as Gove had no personal connection to the matter.

Why would he be interested in the outcome of one particular case at one particular school in Somerset to which he had no connection? Maybe he was asked a favour. The school governor with responsibility for child safeguarding during some of the period concerned was one Lady Gillian Rees-Mogg. The abbot of the the school/monastery officiated at her son’s wedding. Her son is the MP for the neighbouring constituency. He’s been in the news a bit.

That all seems fine and not at all unprofessional and underhand.)

Words cannot comprehend

 

[Morse]

It's mad isn't it in the modern world, Beyoncé could fart and it's front page headlines the world over, but we have numerous cases of abuse whether it be in schools, charitable organisations, Muslim grooming gangs, care homes or any other number of locations or situations and it feels like the authorities have to be almost shamed into launching any meaningful, effective widespread investigations

The authorities don’t like prosecuting their own kind. If the perpetrators decide to talk, people at the top could be in a whole load of shit.

I’ve said it before - paedophilia sadly exists amongst those in power. If I had my way, those systematically abusing children and anyone aiding and abetting or covering for them would serve life terms. It won’t happen when senior officers and politicians are themselves nonces.

If anyone thinks that paedophiles are just weirdos hanging around playgrounds, they’d be dead wrong. They are an organised, powerful, dangerous and close knit bunch of professionals who get away with the very worst offences. Children are a resource to them that people out there are happy to supply. They have safe houses where they can do their filthy deeds. It’s the greatest shame of humanity, IMO.

 

[Man About Town]

Vile bastards committing dreadful crimes and wicked people covering up their offending. Eventually the perpetrators of the abuse get convicted but we really need to start going after those in power who are turning a blind eye or covering up the actions of the these criminals.

There are people up and down the land with knowledge of abuse on their concence but they're getting off scot free. It has to stop.

Cyril Smith, Leon Brittan - every time they try it just gets brushed under the carpet.

 

[Keith S30S]

Cyril Smith, Leon Brittan - every time they try it just gets brushed under the carpet.

Neither of those were convicted. However, in the Rotherham case, these above and others there is convictions with a timescale of offending and those in charge at those times easily identifiable. In the Rotherham case people who sat on committees and those who fobbed those on the ground off on a regular basis are known. They were in most cases forced to resign but that was it. It's joke they haven't been properly held to account.

Surely aiding an offender(s) or perverting the course of justice crimes have been committed. Even in the aftermath these people have lied to those who have investigated, whether it be in front of Parliamentary committees or to home office officials.

 

[mackem in milan]

Do you have a better excuse?

I've not seen anything to say that Muslim child sex offenders are especially reigous so I don't think Allah's actions influence them much. I believe most have been from Pakistan and some others from other places like Bangladesh or Egypt. So it's not all Muslim communities, although people of Pakistani heritage are one of the biggest Muslim communities in the UK so would be over represented but I don't think that's all of it.

I think their motivations are the same as other paedophile's. They take advantage of the opportunities they have. There is still sexual abuse of children within Muslim families. I don't know if it is more or less prevalent than the UK average but it is not all about seeing white girls as worthless. It is about having more opportunity to abuse vulnerable white girls as being seen with them will get less attention from their own community. Also the way the girls were treated by the authorities was appalling, especially before this became a scandal, seeing them as child prostitutes and not abused children. They will be attracted to work in the night time economy as they can get work there fairly easily and access to vulnerable girls.

 

[Aituk7]

I've not seen anything to say that Muslim child sex offenders are especially reigous so I don't think Allah's actions influence them much. I believe most have been from Pakistan and some others from other places like Bangladesh or Egypt. So it's not all Muslim communities, although people of Pakistani heritage are one of the biggest Muslim communities in the UK so would be over represented but I don't think that's all of it.

I think their motivations are the same as other paedophile's. They take advantage of the opportunities they have. There is still sexual abuse of children within Muslim families. I don't know if it is more or less prevalent than the UK average but it is not all about seeing white girls as worthless. It is about having more opportunity to abuse vulnerable white girls as being seen with them will get less attention from their own community. Also the way the girls were treated by the authorities was appalling, especially before this became a scandal, seeing them as child prostitutes and not abused children. They will be attracted to work in the night time economy as they can get work there fairly easily and access to vulnerable girls.

Did you hear about the one who burned the letter M onto a girls arse? So the fact that the victims are Sikh and white British and the criminals are majority Muslim is just a massive coincidence?