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wicketkeeper said:
It is your attitiude that sums up the decline of NE cricket . Spectators came to watch the pros and watch entertaining cricket not sit on the bog.



As I keep saying it wasnt the DSL who insisted on ridiculous criteria.
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Any club wanting to join the DSL (in the rare event this was possible pre Prem League) were visited by the DSL Committee to check on a club's facilities to see if they were up to scratch before being considered. I know this is a fact as our club showed interest at the back end of the 90s when places became available. In the end our players voted against a move as they wished to play overs as opposed to timed cricket but we were made completely aware that certain standards would have to be met if we went ahead with our application. I'm sure this will have gone out of the window in later years to keep the league going but this was a fact at the time.

The pyramid system was the way forward for cricket in the region and when you look at clubs like Tynemouth and Sacriston who have been able to progress on the back of their hard work at junior level then it's difficult to argue otherwise. Likewise their young players do not have to up sticks to play at a higher level which would've been the case in the past meaning the hard work is lost.

Hordon would've come back and been just as successful if a pyramid system was in place back in the day.
 

robkitchuk said:
Unfortunately that is the outcome that will spell the end of the NEDCL. We already have a division of 10 and 8, make that 9 and 7 and it becomes unsustainable.
Luckily a number of clubs have refused to be promoted without relegation. So the DCL may have to cut their cloth to suit just as we have had too.
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I had heard a rumour 2 weeks ago that Graeme Weekes, of the Durham Cricket Board, was working on the DCL and NEDCL combining to form one league, with clubs free to choose whether they entered the league with 1, 2 or even 3 teams !
This is similar to what has happened in the Northumberland Leagues.
 
badger55 said:
I had heard a rumour 2 weeks ago that Graeme Weekes, of the Durham Cricket Board, was working on the DCL and NEDCL combining to form one league, with clubs free to choose whether they entered the league with 1, 2 or even 3 teams !
This is similar to what has happened in the Northumberland Leagues.
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So the Durham structure would match that of the now combined N&TCL?

That would be the obvious thing for consistency across the 2 cricket boards. Is it too much to suggest they are being far too sensible?
 
pavarotti1980 said:
So the Durham structure would match that of the now combined N&TCL?

That would be the obvious thing for consistency across the 2 cricket boards. Is it too much to suggest they are being far too sensible?
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Maybe so but the crowds and pros will be shite, people will wear tracksuits, there’ll be electric scoreboards, good facilities and the umps will turn up on time. Sounds shit.......I’m out
 
badger55 said:
I had heard a rumour 2 weeks ago that Graeme Weekes, of the Durham Cricket Board, was working on the DCL and NEDCL combining to form one league, with clubs free to choose whether they entered the league with 1, 2 or even 3 teams !
This is similar to what has happened in the Northumberland Leagues.
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Not heard that one, it makes sense in many ways but is bad news for NEDCL. This is why a merger was voted down by clubs last season.
Didn't want a change of format, paid players or loss of umpires. (Currenty NEDCL has at least one umpire for every game, unlikely if we became division 3).
 
Greavsie said:
Maybe so but the crowds and pros will be shite, people will wear tracksuits, there’ll be electric scoreboards, good facilities and the umps will turn up on time. Sounds shit.......I’m out
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I was in until youi mentioned tracksuits. that would mean a warm up as well no doubt.

I would prefer to be playing in Victorian squaller becuase the pros are great and i might win more trophies
 
The merger would make sense, a league with up to 6 divisions(including second and possibly, some 3rd teams)
No minimum "standards" to meet except when you get promoted to NEPL Div 1.
Stronger second teams could be playing against weaker first teams and every team would find its own level.
If a club, say, for one season was struggling to put out 2 teams then the league would allow them to play with one team.
In the future, if they can sustain 2 teams then their seconds would start again in Div 6 ?
 
pavarotti1980 said:
I was in until youi mentioned tracksuits. that would mean a warm up as well no doubt.

I would prefer to be playing in Victorian squaller becuase the pros are great and i might win more trophies
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I tell you what ruined the DSL, allowing bloody overarm bowling in 1864. Crowds been dwindling ever since.
Railways didn’t help either
In the underarm days, Hordon beat all comers.
 
badger55 said:
The merger would make sense, a league with up to 6 divisions(including second and possibly, some 3rd teams)
No minimum "standards" to meet except when you get promoted to NEPL Div 1.
Stronger second teams could be playing against weaker first teams and every team would find its own level.
If a club, say, for one season was struggling to put out 2 teams then the league would allow them to play with one team.
In the future, if they can sustain 2 teams then their seconds would start again in Div 6 ?
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I think this would make sense indeed. I have been told of at least 3 clubs on grapevine that want to be in DCL that are currently in NEDCL. If that happened it would effectively kill the NEDCL. However I’ve also been told of at least 2 clubs considering dropping out of DCL into NEDCL so in theory it could be a straight swap but I don’t think logistically that will happen.
 
ac arundez said:
I think this would make sense indeed. I have been told of at least 3 clubs on grapevine that want to be in DCL that are currently in NEDCL. If that happened it would effectively kill the NEDCL. However I’ve also been told of at least 2 clubs considering dropping out of DCL into NEDCL so in theory it could be a straight swap but I don’t think logistically that will happen.
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I'm aware of Seaham Harbour and Kimblesworth wishing to be promoted. Not sure on the third one. With the DCL only allowed to approach the league champions. This season likely to be Kimblesworth, who only wish to be promoted if a club goes the other way.
The DCL under the pyramid cannot approach any other clubs, so would be acting outside of the cricket boards rules if they did so.
So unsure on the other promotion candidate, and guessing Murton and Silksworth the other way?
Plus one NEPL club also struggling if the grapevine is correct and looking at only 1 Saturday team for next year.
 
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robkitchuk said:
I'm aware of Seaham Harbour and Kimblesworth wishing to be promoted. Not sure on the third one. With the DCL only allowed to approach the league champions. This season likely to be Kimblesworth, who only wish to be promoted if a club goes the other way.
The DCL under the pyramid cannot approach any other clubs, so would be acting outside of the cricket boards rules if they did so.
So unsure on the other promotion candidate, and guessing Murton and Silksworth the other way?
Plus one NEPL club also struggling if the grapevine is correct and looking at only 1 Saturday team for next year.
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It suprises that Kimblesworth only want to be promoted if someone goes the other way. Past history suggests they only look out for number one.
 
Are we having this argument again :lol:

If there had been no premier league and the senior league was still number 1 in the NE the crowds would still have disappeared and we certainly wouldn’t be seeing Chris Gayle taking on Ravi Ashwin at Horden on a Wednesday night. Times have changed!

The senior league could still have existed if it swallowed its pride just as the coast league did allowed clubs to move up the ladder. They were very happy to cherry pick from the coast league but took exception to NEPL doing the same which is very hypocritical.

The one negative I see in it all and it’s quite a big one actually is that the NEPL has brought with it a little bit of elitism when it comes to junior cricket and I’d say a lot of parents have to take their share of blame for that. Numbers have certainly dropped in participation (nothing to do with NEPL by the way just a sign of the times) but I find it very sad that a club like South Hetton can be bereft of a junior set up when a mile down the road Hetton Lyons must have over 100 kids. A lot of that is down to a bit of ‘prestige’ that little Johnny is playing for a premier league club regardless of how much of a bat and bowl he’s getting. I’m not sure that would be the case if the NEPL hadn’t come in to play.

@wicketkeeper is clearly a very troubled man and the sooner he stops nursing his framed autographed photo of Derick Parry the better :lol:
 
Jose Sandshoe said:
Any club wanting to join the DSL (in the rare event this was possible pre Prem League) were visited by the DSL Committee to check on a club's facilities to see if they were up to scratch before being considered. I know this is a fact as our club showed interest at the back end of the 90s when places became available. In the end our players voted against a move as they wished to play overs as opposed to timed cricket but we were made completely aware that certain standards would have to be met if we went ahead with our application. I'm sure this will have gone out of the window in later years to keep the league going but this was a fact at the time.

The pyramid system was the way forward for cricket in the region and when you look at clubs like Tynemouth and Sacriston who have been able to progress on the back of their hard work at junior level then it's difficult to argue otherwise. Likewise their young players do not have to up sticks to play at a higher level which would've been the case in the past meaning the hard work is lost.

Hordon would've come back and been just as successful if a pyramid system was in place back in the day.
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Your last point is one I believe to be correct, in one breath @wicketkeeper states in the 'good old days' players just played for their local club, yet another states if clubs like Horden had been relegated players would have left etc etc.

When the probability is the local players would still have played and they would have been promoted back up and merit and if not so be it, as all teams should be promoted on their cricket ability and not tradition.
 
Mrjardine said:
Are we having this argument again :lol:

If there had been no premier league and the senior league was still number 1 in the NE the crowds would still have disappeared and we certainly wouldn’t be seeing Chris Gayle taking on Ravi Ashwin at Horden on a Wednesday night. Times have changed!

The senior league could still have existed if it swallowed its pride just as the coast league did allowed clubs to move up the ladder. They were very happy to cherry pick from the coast league but took exception to NEPL doing the same which is very hypocritical.

The one negative I see in it all and it’s quite a big one actually is that the NEPL has brought with it a little bit of elitism when it comes to junior cricket and I’d say a lot of parents have to take their share of blame for that. Numbers have certainly dropped in participation (nothing to do with NEPL by the way just a sign of the times) but I find it very sad that a club like South Hetton can be bereft of a junior set up when a mile down the road Hetton Lyons must have over 100 kids. A lot of that is down to a bit of ‘prestige’ that little Johnny is playing for a premier league club regardless of how much of a bat and bowl he’s getting. I’m not sure that would be the case if the NEPL hadn’t come in to play.

@wicketkeeper is clearly a very troubled man and the sooner he stops nursing his framed autographed photo of Derick Parry the better :lol:
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Your point about junior cricket is spot on. That’s why I started the thread not to rehash the old dsl argument (as u know I played majority of my cricket in that league but can see it’s failings) I think junior cricket will self implode in next 5 years if nothing changes. 10 clubs left with 4 or 5 teams at each age group playing games hl a vs hl d. This can’t be right
 
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