East Coast line to be taken back into public ownership again



Boris Bear said:
Because you’re generalising.

Franchise operators manage infrastructure too...and if you listen to Grayling he wants franchise operators to take responsibility for track-side infrastructure too. I don’t think you do listen to anyone though as you seem largely uninformed about the industry
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I'm specifically talking about ECML so no generalisation.

Which operators manage rail, Bridges and tunnels on ECML, WCML etc
 
pavarotti1980 said:
I'm specifically talking about ECML so no generalisation.

Which operators manage rail, Bridges and tunnels on ECML, WCML etc
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Specifically I don’t know but I would imagine Network Rail manage them.

In the case of stations though they are (in a lot of cases) managed by operators...and a lot more besides.

When a franchise is up for grabs the DfT mandates a hell of a lot of investment from successful bidders
 
pavarotti1980 said:
This will be the 3rd time in just over a decade that the public sector has had to pick up the pieces due to another failed franchise. I dont care how much the government gives themselves to run the service. How many times does it have to do this before they just decide to sack it off and do it themselves? We have no proven beyond doubt that the major operators are clueless from the point of tendering to delivering their so called promises and then disappearing off leaving everyone else to sort out the mess.

Nice to see they have now started in some part to implement bits of the Labour manifesto though :lol::lol:
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You continually fail to acknowledge the fact that the Government don't have to pay £3.3bn to run the services before they even look at operating costs.

Give a private company the same privelege and they will do an equally good job if not better.
 
Forty said:
If your idea was so good why do the French and German states run the infrastructure.
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No idea.

German company ran the Metro for best part of a decade and it was abysmal.

Public ownership running it now and it's worse.

Take away the massive franchise fees and abolish subsidies and see how the private world gets on.
 
Brian Griffin said:
You continually fail to acknowledge the fact that the Government don't have to pay £3.3bn to run the services before they even look at operating costs.

Give a private company the same privelege and they will do an equally good job if not better.
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Aye thats why they do such a good job running the buses.
 
Brian Griffin said:
No idea.

German company ran the Metro for best part of a decade and it was abysmal.

Public ownership running it now and it's worse.

Take away the massive franchise fees and abolish subsidies and see how the private world gets on.
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The German Company who ran it, was the actual German state railway. It probably has more to do with the fact money needs to be spent on the Metro. No private sector company will invest the money needed to up grade the system.
 
Forty said:
Aye thats why they do such a good job running the buses.
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No...it’s a different model altogether.

Bus companies run on a risk model where the only money they make is from paying customers and so to some extent that shapes where and when they run services
 
Forty said:
The German Company who ran it, was the actual German state railway. It probably has more to do with the fact money needs to be spent on the Metro. No private sector company will invest the money needed to up grade the system.
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Nope

It was the fees involved and fines issued that a private company had to contend with because the state wouldn't pay for upgrades.

Take away the fees and all of a sudden its a level playing field
 
Boris Bear said:
No...it’s a different model altogether.

Bus companies run on a risk model where the only money they make is from paying customers and so to some extent that shapes where and when they run services
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That is what i meant. If the railways ran the sameway as the buses there wouldnt be a railway.
Both should be ran as public services.
 
Brian Griffin said:
You continually fail to acknowledge the fact that the Government don't have to pay £3.3bn to run the services before they even look at operating costs.

Give a private company the same privelege and they will do an equally good job if not better.
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Not that at all. How much do the private operators receive in subsidies?

Boris Bear said:
Specifically I don’t know but I would imagine Network Rail manage them.

In the case of stations though they are (in a lot of cases) managed by operators...and a lot more besides.

When a franchise is up for grabs the DfT mandates a hell of a lot of investment from successful bidders
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So stations are the only infrastructure ran by the operators then? Network Rail also manage them too
 
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Forty said:
That is what i meant. If the railways ran the sameway as the buses there wouldnt be a railway.
Both should be ran as public services.
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For buses the only true public transport system (I think) is in London where the operators are paid to run routes and work to a schedule and they are fined by TFL if they don’t.
 
Brian Griffin said:
No idea

But can you not understand that paying to run a franchise is the actual problem?
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They receive subsidies from government then pay to run trains 9n something that doesn't belong to them. Of course they should pay.

Would you accept a lodger at home for nowt because paying rent can cause problems
 

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