Nissan

I used to work there mate, the factory in Germany wasn't more profitable and was essentially a competitor to the UK plant. The UK plant was shut down to remove the competition. The German owners admitted overall it would lose orders to rivals outside the group but it was prepared to take that hit to get more work into the German factory. It was purely a nationalistic decision and not an economic one.
Sorry to hear that marra. Must have been a f***ing frustrating time for you.
 


Nar
Folk don’t like being told what to do by a bunch of bellends
And if the bold bit doesn’t confirm my point about condescending patronising remain voters...:)

You are right, folk like being told what to do by non-patronising, non-bellends, Nigel Farage for example or Boris Johnson, perhaps Rupert Murdoch or Dacre at the Mail, you know, good salt of the earth folk with the interests of the UK and in particular the North East at heart :lol: It's impossible not to be patronising when you read some of the shite people turn out on here man ;)
 
Sorry to hear that marra. Must have been a f***ing frustrating time for you.
It was mate. You can accept losing your job if you work for a company losing money, but losing your job when you know the parent company is closing the business down as it is competition for a company in its own country that it can't compete with is a bit of a twat.
 
You are right, folk like being told what to do by non-patronising, non-bellends, Nigel Farage for example or Boris Johnson, perhaps Rupert Murdoch or Dacre at the Mail, you know, good salt of the earth folk with the interests of the UK and in particular the North East at heart :lol: It's impossible not to be patronising when you read some of the shite people turn out on here man ;)
Farage is an utter bellend.
Quite like Boris mind, and I’d say Londoners preferred him to khan.
Those two v everyone else, being branded racist for discussing Brexit, the remainers don’t want to discuss anything - exemplified by Gordon Brown calling labour supporters ‘bigots’ for wanting to discuss immigration.

‘Impossible to not be patronising when someone has a different view point’ is what you should have wrote.

Irony is I bet a majority of Nissan employee's in Sunderland voted leave.
Why is it ironic?
Brexit won’t change Nissan no matter what scare shite remainers come out with.
 
Unfortunately for you the majority don’t think like you and you lost because you couldn’t come up with any credible reasons to stay.

You had a chance to make your case and you blew it.

Yeah, now we can take back our sovereignty.

Our government can pass its own laws to better represent the values of this country.

Any laws you would like to pass once we get our country back?

Something you'd like to outlaw, perhaps?
 
Farage is an utter bellend.
Quite like Boris mind, and I’d say Londoners preferred him to khan.
Those two v everyone else, being branded racist for discussing Brexit, the remainers don’t want to discuss anything - exemplified by Gordon Brown calling labour supporters ‘bigots’ for wanting to discuss immigration.

‘Impossible to not be patronising when someone has a different view point’ is what you should have wrote.

I've got no problem with an immigration discussion, the fact is there are too many people on the Brexit side for whom the immigration discussion revolves around shouting 'send em back to where they came from' or 'bloody Muslims' until the veins in their necks are close to popping. I welcome your different point of view, I'm just disappointed it along with many others is based on lies, propaganda of the rich and a seemingly deep rooted misunderstanding of the issues, crack on though mate, I'm sure the final deal those delightful Tories strike up will benefit us all in the long run, we are the mighty Great Britain after all, we won a war you know.
 
Yeah, now we can take back our sovereignty.

Our government can pass its own laws to better represent the values of this country.

Any laws you would like to pass once we get our country back?

Something you'd like to outlaw, perhaps?
No point in being bitter and twisted about it. You had the chance to make your case and you blew it.

Remain couldn’t come up with anything positive to say about the eu. It was all based on project fear and it didn’t work.

I've got no problem with an immigration discussion, the fact is there are too many people on the Brexit side for whom the immigration discussion revolves around shouting 'send em back to where they came from' or 'bloody Muslims' until the veins in their necks are close to popping. I welcome your different point of view, I'm just disappointed it along with many others is based on lies, propaganda of the rich and a seemingly deep rooted misunderstanding of the issues, crack on though mate, I'm sure the final deal those delightful Tories strike up will benefit us all in the long run, we are the mighty Great Britain after all, we won a war you know.
How can you possibly expect anyone to take you seriously when you throw your toys out of the pram like that?

You blew it when it mattered. Blame remain not leave. You had an open goal and blew it.
 
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Farage is an utter bellend.
Quite like Boris mind, and I’d say Londoners preferred him to khan.
Those two v everyone else, being branded racist for discussing Brexit, the remainers don’t want to discuss anything - exemplified by Gordon Brown calling labour supporters ‘bigots’ for wanting to discuss immigration.

‘Impossible to not be patronising when someone has a different view point’ is what you should have wrote.


Why is it ironic?
Brexit won’t change Nissan no matter what scare shite remainers come out with.
Of course it does. The whole raison d'etre of the Nissan site in the UK is to have easy access into the single market. We leave the EU by the way the government are planning the customs union and single market too that affects not just Nissan but every company that imports/exports anything from Britain. Leaving the single market and customs union would mean trading on WTO rules and losing that easy access and common regulatory system. It is going to cost businesses a fortune in time money because every lorry and vehicle would need to be stopped to check whether tarriffs and duties need to be paid. Nissan and their suppliers bring in parts from all over Europe-how are they supposed to reliably run the logistics of just-in-time processes when Border Force and HMRC dont have the capacity to handle this change be it in staff, IT or physical infrastructure? The necessary checks will cause tailbacks miles long at ports like Calais and Dover; companies wont put up with that kind of disruption and more red tape for long.
 
How can you possibly expect anyone to take you seriously when you throw your toys out of the pram like that?

You blew it when it mattered. Blame remain not leave. You had an open goal and blew it.[/QUOTE]

My toys remain firmly in the pram fella, I'm balanced enough to hope for another referendum once we know the final details of what has been negotiated, the same process that would be undertaken in any business decision. How would you feel about another referendum once we know the terms?

I've seen enough of your previous posts to know that your thinly veiled xenophobia makes this a discussion I don't need to get too deeply into mind, there is not a fact in the world would change your views.
 
Of course it does. The whole raison d'etre of the Nissan site in the UK is to have easy access into the single market. We leave the EU by the way the government are planning the customs union and single market too that affects not just Nissan but every company that imports/exports anything from Britain. Leaving the single market and customs union would mean trading on WTO rules and losing that easy access and common regulatory system. It is going to cost businesses a fortune in time money because every lorry and vehicle would need to be stopped to check whether tarriffs and duties need to be paid. Nissan and their suppliers bring in parts from all over Europe-how are they supposed to reliably run the logistics of just-in-time processes when Border Force and HMRC dont have the capacity to handle this change be it in staff, IT or physical infrastructure? The necessary checks will cause tailbacks miles long at ports like Calais and Dover; companies wont put up with that kind of disruption and more red tape for long.
Not sure what pure saying

It seems to be that without the eu we might as well curl up in a ball and give up. I wonder how all the other 180 countries in the world manage?

How can you possibly expect anyone to take you seriously when you throw your toys out of the pram like that?

You blew it when it mattered. Blame remain not leave. You had an open goal and blew it.

My toys remain firmly in the pram fella, I'm balanced enough to hope for another referendum once we know the final details of what has been negotiated, the same process that would be undertaken in any business decision. How would you feel about another referendum once we know the terms?

I've seen enough of your previous posts to know that your thinly veiled xenophobia makes this a discussion I don't need to get too deeply into mind, there is not a fact in the world would change your views.[/QUOTE]
Why would we have another vote? So you can have a second go at rigging it like you did the first

You lost man. You couldn’t make the case then and you couldn’t make the case now if you tried.

It was in your hands, absolutely everything was in your favour and you completely fucked it up.

Don’t look at anyone else to blame your failure on.

Lashing out at me changes nothing.
 
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[/QUOTE] Why would we have another vote? So you can have a second go at rigging it like you did the first

You lost man. You couldn’t make the case then and you couldn’t make the case now if you tried.

It was in your hands, absolutely everything was in your favour and you completely fucked it up.

Don’t look at anyone else to blame your failure on.

Lashing out at me changes nothing.[/QUOTE]


I'll take that as a no then? You know that the result would be spectacularly different second time round if people were given all of the facts instead of the utter drivel that you and many others chose to farm out the first time round and that terrifies you. I'm perfectly aware that Remain blew it man, I'm just not small minded enough to think that should be the end of the discussion, if you are happy to have the final decision based on the fantasies and untruths of the campaigns as opposed to the black and white of what will be on the table, that tells me enough about the type of person I'm arguing with that you are a lost cause and someone who would rather march around on a self-congratulatory parade than play it through to a sensible conclusion, well done.
 
Not sure what pure saying

It seems to be that without the eu we might as well curl up in a ball and give up.
I wonder how all the other 180 countries in the world manage?



My toys remain firmly in the pram fella, I'm balanced enough to hope for another referendum once we know the final details of what has been negotiated, the same process that would be undertaken in any business decision. How would you feel about another referendum once we know the terms?

I've seen enough of your previous posts to know that your thinly veiled xenophobia makes this a discussion I don't need to get too deeply into mind, there is not a fact in the world would change your views.

No i did not say that. However being out of the EU makes it much more difficult for ourselves. A lot of the well paid, skilled jobs that helps the country pay its way in manufacturing, food, chemicals etc directly depend upon easy access into the single market and customs union. We already have free trade, easy access to 27 other nations that are closest to us and we wont get a better deal than that. Why jeopardise that and give that up for a fantasy.
 
Remain played the same numbers game as the Boris bus, only for longer - remember the Norway option? If it was on the side of a bus, it would have read, 'Norway take most EU laws - let's just stay in the EU instead'.

Cameron/Clegg etc. pushed this position, neutralising one of the only sensible exit routes out of the European Union - EEA membership through EFTA and buried it with "leaving the EU means leaving the single market" line. Unfortunately, the whole 'Norway take all EU laws' angle is based on a partially translated report undertaken by the Norwegian government, which is ultimately a red herring.

Even if Norway take most EU laws, they are doing it voluntarily, over and above what is required by the EFTA/EU EEA agreement, which at present, incorporates approximately 25% of the EU acquis. If you believe belive the Boris bus helped Leave get over the line, the the likes of Cameron and Clegg helped to create the abyss it's heading towards.
Sorry but bus won the vote, Boris and co should b3 booted out of the country because of it.
 
Why would we have another vote? So you can have a second go at rigging it like you did the first

You lost man. You couldn’t make the case then and you couldn’t make the case now if you tried.

It was in your hands, absolutely everything was in your favour and you completely fucked it up.

Don’t look at anyone else to blame your failure on.

Lashing out at me changes nothing.[/QUOTE]


I'll take that as a no then? You know that the result would be spectacularly different second time round if people were given all of the facts instead of the utter drivel that you and many others chose to farm out the first time round and that terrifies you. I'm perfectly aware that Remain blew it man, I'm just not small minded enough to think that should be the end of the discussion, if you are happy to have the final decision based on the fantasies and untruths of the campaigns as opposed to the black and white of what will be on the table, that tells me enough about the type of person I'm arguing with that you are a lost cause and someone who would rather march around on a self-congratulatory parade than play it through to a sensible conclusion, well done.[/QUOTE]
Given what facts?

Why didn’t you give the facts last time?

Sorry but bus won the vote, Boris and co should b3 booted out of the country because of it.
And how did they lie with what was on the side of the bus?
 
[/QUOTE]Given what facts?

Why didn’t you give the facts last time?[/QUOTE]

The final deal on the table, that would be the facts, it will reveal a lot more about the cost, impact and consequences of Brexit than either party campaigned on at the time. Let people see what the outcome of the negotiation is and then decide if that is what we want to do.

If you voted to blindly jump over a wall into a pool of shit or a pool of money and then just before jumping someone offered to lay out what is actually behind the wall would you jump anyway?
 
Given what facts?

Why didn’t you give the facts last time?[/QUOTE]

The final deal on the table, that would be the facts, it will reveal a lot more about the cost, impact and consequences of Brexit than either party campaigned on at the time. Let people see what the outcome of the negotiation is and then decide if that is what we want to do.

If you voted to blindly jump over a wall into a pool of shit or a pool of money and then just before jumping someone offered to lay out what is actually behind the wall would you jump anyway?[/QUOTE]
What so that the eu can deliberately give us a shit deal? We weren’t all born yesterday man.

I cannot bide the eu and cannot bide the state it has left this country in. Imagine having to pay child benefits to kids who live in Poland. Absolutely ludicrous.

Imagine paying £350m per week so that they can build bridges and roads in Bulgaria whilst ours crumble

Imagine 500m people having the ability to up sticks and decant to the U.K. and we have to pay for them all?

Absolutely f***ing ludicrous. The eu has taken the piss out of us for years. Thank god it’s over
 
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[/QUOTE]
What so that the eu can deliberately give us a shit deal? We weren’t all born yesterday man.[/QUOTE]

Have a little read earlier in the thread marra, I was not suggesting we come out and announce that as the plan now, of course it would blow our position. What I am asking here is whether you as an individual would support a vote that is based on the final deal, I already know that your answer is no, what I'm hoping for is that you have the ability to articulate why that would be such an outrageous and dangerous proposition. (I'm not expecting that your answer drives the government policy at the next round of negotiations just for clarity)
 

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