Nissan

[ANonnyMoose]

Exactly
As if a CEO will move production from a successful , profitable factory in Sunderland. to one in France, where they strike all the time and the workforce have a 35 hr week, just because it will give jobs to the French and away from the English


the leave vote won because people hate being told what to do by ‘celebrities’ and people who are well off.
In much the same way that Trump won.
It was a backlash against establishment.

People don’t like being told what to do in a patronising condescending manner, which most remain voters are.

No, they are right - whether people think they are condescending should not play a part of it. The information was out there and freely available, people could have chosen to educate themselves rather that let the foreign-owned right wing media do it for them. Is that condescending or just the truth?

As for "well off celerities" - you mean like the public-school educated group of multi-millionaire Farage, millionaire Gove and multi-millionaire Johnson?

Pretty much everything predicted by Remain supporters has been shown to be correct, almost nothing by the Exit mob has come true.

 

[gegsongegsonlegs]

Hit the nail on the head mate get rid of the top earners and replace them with lads/lasses on half the salary

It's a long way off but this lot I work for are doing the same, only they're trying to sicken people off rather than give a deal....

Lads and lasses starting here on around 10k less a year than us with a certain contract/pension.and not much chance of getting anywhere near parity , Not being trained properly, pushed out into the field without much of a clue ( not their fault) and making a complete arse of things.

Think it's the way all big business is headed to be honest..

Mind if they offered me 2k a month for every year service I'd snap their f***ing hand off... As would quite a few others...

 

[MonkeyLove]

Organisational leaders very rarely make major transformational changes unless there is a significant financial benefit.

Nissan in Sunderland would have to be considerably financially detrimental to them before they would embark on a change of that scale.

 

[WHD]

Exactly
As if a CEO will move production from a successful , profitable factory in Sunderland. to one in France, where they strike all the time and the workforce have a 35 hr week, just because it will give jobs to the French and away from the English

I've already posted a link to a German company doing exactly that.

Companies making nationalistic decisions isn't out of the question.

 

[offmenut]

Two things. 1. These industries are not called footloose for nothing, if things don’t suit they will be off and EU grants will be a help.
You talk about the “better off”, how do you think that you will benefit from brexit? Answer please, not obe of the thousands I have askedhave so far. Bare in mind the collosal bill this will incurr and tgst’s before we settle with Europe.

I might not be better off.
I’m an air traffic controller down south on ok money.
But I can see why folk who feel abandoned up north , the proper working class, voted for a change, as they’re struggling at the moment so can’t see how things can get worse.

I've already posted a link to a German company doing exactly that.

Companies making nationalistic decisions isn't out of the question.

Companies make decisions based on money.
If the company from that link was going to revert to Germany to a factory which was Loss making , workforce’s unionised with a 35 hr week, and likely to go on strike at the drop of a hat, then it would have been a no.
No doubt the factory in England was profitable, but maybe the one in Germany was more profitable.

Pretty much everything predicted by Remain supporters has been shown to be correct, almost nothing by the Exit mob has come true.

that’s just so ridiculous I’m not even going to respond.

 

[Wullhawar]

the leave vote won because people hate being told what to do by ‘celebrities’ and people who are well off.
In much the same way that Trump won. It was a backlash against establishment. People don’t like being told what to do in a patronising condescending manner, which most remain voters are.

Congratulations on one of the most blinkered, bullshit posts I've seen on here in a long time fella. The leave vote won because most people have lost the ability to do something called critical thinking, the people who run the campaigns have figured out that a one line, hard-hitting, completely fabricated statement is all that is needed for a large number of people to be convinced that something is true. Trump and Brexit were victories for strategists who realised that this approach is all that is needed, people can no longer be arsed to go and look for the facts themselves. Most people are actually quite happy being told what to do, as long as that direction involves them doing as little as possible to make the decision for themselves.

 

[safcrhys.]

Jaguar Land Rover where I work are about to announce 1000 job cuts. Shitting myself.

 

[Goldeneye]

Eh? WTF.

Shouldnt you be delighted that there will be:

more people needed to work in IT
more work for the legal profession
more need for customs officers etc?

Yes but any jobs gains in Border Force and the legal profession would be all but wiped out by the disruption caused to manufacturing, food, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, services etc when WTO rules apply if we leave the single market and customs union. Those rules mean that every person, vehicle and good needs to be checked that leaves and enters the country.
The queues at ports and airports would wreck the just in time systems that so many businesses rely upon. As an example parts for Airbus go in and out of the UK upto 5 times before theyre finished. How are they supposed to plan if they dont know when parts will arrive? Businesses (especially multinationals like Nissan) wont put up duplicate bureacracies, barriers and red tape that Brexit is going to cause which will cost them huge sums of money. It is logical that they will leave.

 

[Westoe SAFC]

Last time they did it they offered staff members with a minimum 7 years service (I think it was 7 but I'm happy to be corrected) £10k or £12k to just up sticks and walk away, they said the money was to allow people to retrain.

There's a lot of rumours of them offering something similar in the near future, however the staff they really want off the books are the ones that won't take the offer.

In unit where I work they brought it down to 5 years service as there wasn’t many takers above that.

Unless they let the higher earners take their pension early they’d be stupid to take £30k and walk this time.

 

[Fletch]

In unit where I work they brought it down to 5 years service as there wasn’t many takers above that.

Unless they let the higher earners take their pension early they’d be stupid to take £30k and walk this time.

It’ll be the long term staff who have full salary pension schemes that they want shot of , lads who will be in their 40s and 50s , no way will majority of them leave

 

[Sir Lancelot]

The biggest losers that I know are gamblers. I am not a Blairite either, policies motivate me, not personalities.


Tell us all how this will make you better off?

Is leaving the EU about ‘being better off’ or about not wanting to be part of the organisation? I voted out without any consideration of whether or not the haves would be ‘better off’ or not. It was a simple choice - remain, and the certainty that this country and all others in the EU would cease to exist as autonomous organisations, or out, and maintain at least a semblance of independent control of the country.

 

[Westoe SAFC]

It’ll be the long term staff who have full salary pension schemes that they want shot of , lads who will be in their 40s and 50s , no way will majority of them leave

They aimed at 10 years service+ last time but eventually had to bring it down.
Similar will happen when it comes along again.

 

[wash]

Jaguar Land Rover where I work are about to announce 1000 job cuts. Shitting myself.

That's bad shit mate, heard it was 1000 temps who were affected. Are you a temp ?

 

[WHD]

Companies make decisions based on money.
If the company from that link was going to revert to Germany to a factory which was Loss making , workforce’s unionised with a 35 hr week, and likely to go on strike at the drop of a hat, then it would have been a no.
No doubt the factory in England was profitable, but maybe the one in Germany was more profitable.

I used to work there mate, the factory in Germany wasn't more profitable and was essentially a competitor to the UK plant. The UK plant was shut down to remove the competition. The German owners admitted overall it would lose orders to rivals outside the group but it was prepared to take that hit to get more work into the German factory. It was purely a nationalistic decision and not an economic one.

 

[royaldragon]

I used to work there mate, the factory in Germany wasn't more profitable and was essentially a competitor to the UK plant. The UK plant was shut down to remove the competition. The German owners admitted overall it would lose orders to rivals outside the group but it was prepared to take that hit to get more work into the German factory. It was purely a nationalistic decision and not an economic one.

It's sad that people lost their jobs, but they sound like a company who don't value their employees , certainly not a company who you'd want to work for.

 

[WHD]

It's sad that people lost their jobs, but they sound like a company who don't value their employees , certainly not a company who you'd want to work for.

It's the largest engineering company in Europe and I still work for them (obviously in a different division)

 

[safcrhys.]

That's bad shit mate, heard it was 1000 temps who were affected. Are you a temp ?

Yeah been there nearly a year.

 

[ANonnyMoose]

that’s just so ridiculous I’m not even going to respond.

Because Brexit supporters have no response, it was all bullshit.

Is leaving the EU about ‘being better off’ or about not wanting to be part of the organisation? I voted out without any consideration of whether or not the haves would be ‘better off’ or not. It was a simple choice - remain, and the certainty that this country and all others in the EU would cease to exist as autonomous organisations, or out, and maintain at least a semblance of independent control of the country.

Everything is already under the control of Westminster - THEY are the one that choose to fuck things up. Nothing from the EU can get passed if the UK government says no. Nothing. So what are you taking back control of?

What Brexit has clearly shown is a complete ignorance of how the EU works, whose fault that is, well thats a debate all of its own. Is the EU perfect? Far from it - I have long been a supporter of "Stay, but with reform", but again I have seen zero legitimate reasons to leave the EU from anyone.

 

[offmenut]

Congratulations on one of the most blinkered, bullshit posts I've seen on here in a long time fella. The leave vote won because most people have lost the ability to do something called critical thinking, the people who run the campaigns have figured out that a one line, hard-hitting, completely fabricated statement is all that is needed for a large number of people to be convinced that something is true. Trump and Brexit were victories for strategists who realised that this approach is all that is needed, people can no longer be arsed to go and look for the facts themselves. Most people are actually quite happy being told what to do, as long as that direction involves them doing as little as possible to make the decision for themselves.

Nar
Folk don’t like being told what to do by a bunch of bellends
And if the bold bit doesn’t confirm my point about condescending patronising remain voters...

 

[Buchans Boots]

Because Brexit supporters have no response, it was all bullshit.


Everything is already under the control of Westminster - THEY are the one that choose to fuck things up. Nothing from the EU can get passed if the UK government says no. Nothing. So what are you taking back control of?

What Brexit has clearly shown is a complete ignorance of how the EU works, whose fault that is, well thats a debate all of its own. Is the EU perfect? Far from it - I have long been a supporter of "Stay, but with reform", but again I have seen zero legitimate reasons to leave the EU from anyone.

Unfortunately for you the majority don’t think like you and you lost because you couldn’t come up with any credible reasons to stay.

You had a chance to make your case and you blew it.