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The Rat said:
We have Root, Stokes and Bairstow scoring heavily at extremely high scoring rates, we miss Trott more.

Pietersen has been replaced.
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Which one is it to be? You can't use three players in order to say one man has been replaced.

I'd say Root is the more natural replacement, but at present he's got a real problem scoring hundreds - which essentially is what wins you Test matches. He's one of the biggest talents I've ever seen play for England and I'm immensely excited about watching his progression, hopefully in time he'll surpass everyone and become our most prolific batsman of all time - but I think people are letting their dislike of KP seriously cloud their judgement.

KP, whether you like him or not, was one of the most influential players in not only winning us our first Ashes series in forever, but also in elevating us to number one Test side in the world. His performances, professionalism and determination brought out the best in his teammates and that MUST be acknowledged.

Nasser Hussain may have started the turnaround, but the next generation carried it to the next level. Without KP we may be sat here now, still without an Ashes win since 1986.
 

brandon said:
Which one is it to be? You can't use three players in order to say one man has been replaced.

I'd say Root is the more natural replacement, but at present he's got a real problem scoring hundreds - which essentially is what wins you Test matches. He's one of the biggest talents I've ever seen play for England and I'm immensely excited about watching his progression, hopefully in time he'll surpass everyone and become our most prolific batsman of all time - but I think people are letting their dislike of KP seriously cloud their judgement.

KP, whether you like him or not, was one of the most influential players in not only winning us our first Ashes series in forever, but also in elevating us to number one Test side in the world. His performances, professionalism and determination brought out the best in his teammates and that MUST be acknowledged.

Nasser Hussain may have started the turnaround, but the next generation carried it to the next level. Without KP we may be sat here now, still without an Ashes win since 1986.
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Really good post.
 
Mrjardine said:
I liked Trott as a player but it seems the amateur psychiatrists are getting their knickers in a twist again. Wasn’t it situation based anxiety? We obviously have our own interpretation of that.
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clearly

brandon said:
Which one is it to be? You can't use three players in order to say one man has been replaced.

I'd say Root is the more natural replacement, but at present he's got a real problem scoring hundreds - which essentially is what wins you Test matches. He's one of the biggest talents I've ever seen play for England and I'm immensely excited about watching his progression, hopefully in time he'll surpass everyone and become our most prolific batsman of all time - but I think people are letting their dislike of KP seriously cloud their judgement.

KP, whether you like him or not, was one of the most influential players in not only winning us our first Ashes series in forever, but also in elevating us to number one Test side in the world. His performances, professionalism and determination brought out the best in his teammates and that MUST be acknowledged.

Nasser Hussain may have started the turnaround, but the next generation carried it to the next level. Without KP we may be sat here now, still without an Ashes win since 1986.
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Root

I have acknowledged all of that, read my posts.
 
brandon said:
Which one is it to be? You can't use three players in order to say one man has been replaced.

I'd say Root is the more natural replacement, but at present he's got a real problem scoring hundreds - which essentially is what wins you Test matches. He's one of the biggest talents I've ever seen play for England and I'm immensely excited about watching his progression, hopefully in time he'll surpass everyone and become our most prolific batsman of all time - but I think people are letting their dislike of KP seriously cloud their judgement.

KP, whether you like him or not, was one of the most influential players in not only winning us our first Ashes series in forever, but also in elevating us to number one Test side in the world. His performances, professionalism and determination brought out the best in his teammates and that MUST be acknowledged.

Nasser Hussain may have started the turnaround, but the next generation carried it to the next level. Without KP we may be sat here now, still without an Ashes win since 1986.
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Yeah absolutely, you are 100% correct imo in terms of determination, in fact it could be argued, especially early in his England career, has there ever been a more determined cricketer for England, I cant think of one?

He was totally focussed and determined to be a success and don't think many can argue he was
 
brandon said:
Which one is it to be? You can't use three players in order to say one man has been replaced.

I'd say Root is the more natural replacement, but at present he's got a real problem scoring hundreds - which essentially is what wins you Test matches. He's one of the biggest talents I've ever seen play for England and I'm immensely excited about watching his progression, hopefully in time he'll surpass everyone and become our most prolific batsman of all time - but I think people are letting their dislike of KP seriously cloud their judgement.

KP, whether you like him or not, was one of the most influential players in not only winning us our first Ashes series in forever, but also in elevating us to number one Test side in the world. His performances, professionalism and determination brought out the best in his teammates and that MUST be acknowledged.

Nasser Hussain may have started the turnaround, but the next generation carried it to the next level. Without KP we may be sat here now, still without an Ashes win since 1986.
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Good post, if I think the last line is a bit exaggerated

I still think the man is a complete penis mind
 
brandon said:
Which one is it to be? You can't use three players in order to say one man has been replaced.

I'd say Root is the more natural replacement, but at present he's got a real problem scoring hundreds - which essentially is what wins you Test matches. He's one of the biggest talents I've ever seen play for England and I'm immensely excited about watching his progression, hopefully in time he'll surpass everyone and become our most prolific batsman of all time - but I think people are letting their dislike of KP seriously cloud their judgement.

KP, whether you like him or not, was one of the most influential players in not only winning us our first Ashes series in forever, but also in elevating us to number one Test side in the world. His performances, professionalism and determination brought out the best in his teammates and that MUST be acknowledged.

Nasser Hussain may have started the turnaround, but the next generation carried it to the next level. Without KP we may be sat here now, still without an Ashes win since 1986.
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You don't really believe the last line, do you?

As soon as central contracts came in it was a matter of time.

Voice of fair play said:
Yeah absolutely, you are 100% correct imo in terms of determination, in fact it could be argued, especially early in his England career, has there ever been a more determined cricketer for England, I cant think of one?

He was totally focussed and determined to be a success and don't think many can argue he was
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Nobody can argue with that like.

He just let it all go to his head, that was the problem.
 
A complete conundrum KP for me. Sometimes I feel as a cricketing nation we didn't try hard enough to embrace a top drawer player but more often that not I give myself a slap because he just didn't help himself time and time again.

Great batsman by any measure though.
 
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chunkylover53 said:
Good post, if I think the last line is a bit exaggerated

I still think the man is a complete penis mind
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We'll never know really will we, but it was a massive monkey off our back. It's often said that the first one is always the hardest to win.

All I'm saying is that I'm thankful KP was at the crease on that fifth Oval morning.
 
The Rat said:
You don't really believe the last line, do you?

As soon as central contracts came in it was a matter of time.
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It isn't a question of whether I believe it or not, as said above, we'll never know will we. Thankfully we didn't have to find out.

If the only thing taken from my post was that the last paragraph may have been slightly exaggerated and that maybe I don't believe it myself then I think I did alright ;)
 
rentaghost said:
A complete conundrum KP for me. Sometimes I feel as a cricketing nation we didn't try hard enough to embrace a top drawer player but more often that not I give myself a slap because he just didn't help himself time and time again.

Great batsman by any measure though.
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One thing I will say is that he did play 100 tests, unfair on the fans and on his team mates to say he wasn't backed

The way some talk you;d think he was kicked out after 30 tests

brandon said:
It isn't a question of whether I believe it or not, as said above, we'll never know will we. Thankfully we didn't have to find out.

If the only thing taken from my post was that the last paragraph may have been slightly exaggerated and that maybe I don't believe it myself then I think I did alright ;)
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Haha fair play, can't argue with that.
 
Mrjardine said:
Whatever anyone thinks of him as a bloke I’m surprised this hasn’t been acknowledged on here. A phenomenal talent who would get in most people’s all time England XIs in all formats.
His innings against South Africa at headingley is arguably the best I’ve seen from on England player, Gooch at the same venue against windies is probably only one I can think of that may trump it.
Without doubt an England legend.
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Always preferred golden wonder
 
Mrjardine said:
I think he’d get in most, his innings against a top South African attack at headingley was sensational.
Out of interest who would you have ahead of KP in an all time great England batting line up?
He was enough of a team man to play in a side that got to number 1 in world and also to be player of tournament in our only global tournament victory.
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Post on a cricket forum called cricket web hutton,Hobbs,Hammond,barrington,sutcliffe,May,Compton usually make up the top 5 in ATG teams of posters.

KP was a class player who should have reached greater heights than he did. Fact he’s a bellend saw him tarnish his legacy.

Pleasure to have watched him at his best.
 
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The Rat said:
So?

Not allowed different opinions? I don't agree with most of what Bumble says, still a big fan of his though.
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I’m just pointing it out. Stop being so defensive.
I’m sure bumble wouldn’t have picked Gary Balance over Pieterson. As you say we all have different opinions.
 
mackembhoy said:
Post on a cricket forum called cricket web hutton,Hobbs,Hammond,barrington,sutcliffe,May,Compton usually make up the top 5 in ATG teams of posters.
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Coverage of majority of those players is grainy at best but statistically it hard to argue. I’d say from 70s onwards a lot of decent coverage available to make own opinions so perhaps I could’ve been more specific. I also said all formats and her certainly be in he best ODI and 20/20 sides.

The Rat said:
Well it worked, we won the Ashes.

Just like we did in 2009 without him
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Didn’t KP score a ton in 2009 series?
Balance over KP an interesting one it has to be said.
 
Mrjardine said:
Coverage of majority of those players is grainy at best but statistically it hard to argue. I’d say from 70s onwards a lot of decent coverage available to make own opinions so perhaps I could’ve been more specific. I also said all formats and her certainly be in he best ODI and 20/20 sides.


Didn’t KP score a ton in 2009 series?
Balance over KP an interesting one it has to be said.
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Not really

KP had just wrote a book slagging off our new ball bowling attack and our captain

So hardly going to pick him, so you go for the inform player.

Trying for things that just aint there, he was unpickable after that
 
The Rat said:
Not really

KP had just wrote a book slagging off our new ball bowling attack and our captain

So hardly going to pick him, so you go for the inform player.

Trying for things that just aint there, he was unpickable after that
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They’d slagged him off as well, KP was big enough to still share a dressing room with them. People need to get over themselves.
Gary Ballance was never going to be good enough with that technique which I told you at the time but you thought he was a better bet than KP.
Let’s just say KP was a total and utter wanker yeah. Why does that bother you? You don’t have to share a dressing room with him or socialise you are a spectator who only sees him when he’s performing for our country which he did quite superbly over the years. I think Swann is a cockend but I’d have him in my team all day every day and twice on a Sunday.
 
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