DNA compulsory

Until insurance, mortgage companies or workplaces get hold of the information and use that to descriminate against certain hereditary conditions.

Or about a hundred other reasons but let's start with that one


This, you can know for a fact if it's not a suspects DNA. But you can never conclusively prove it is a suspects. Of course it can be supported with other evidence
The scientist who gave the talk was quite technical (as he had to be) but he said that the bottom line is that the try to "conclusively" prove something from a very limited analysis. Basically, the amount of DNA tested is like picking out individual words from a single page in a book from one shelf in a library the size of the British Library.
 


The scientist who gave the talk was quite technical (as he had to be) but he said that the bottom line is that the try to "conclusively" prove something from a very limited analysis. Basically, the amount of DNA tested is like picking out individual words from a single page in a book from one shelf in a library the size of the British Library.
Pretty much aye, would be like cutting a page every time there was a particular word then comparing the size of the different piles of paper at the end. Probably not the best comparison but I'm knackered. You're bound to have a few books that are close to the same but it does narrow it down. It's certainly not going to solve every unsolved murder instantly though
 
The op probably started this thread to provoke debate and most likely doesn’t really believe what he(?) has posted. But there’s nothing wrong with a bit of provoking though.

As a cop I see the benefit of DNA evidence every day. It has transformed major investigations. Just imagine if that kind of testing was around when Peter Sutcliffe was out doing what he was doing? How many lives could’ve been saved.

As an individual I value my privacy and I would not feel comfortable giving over something that uniquely identifies me to a government that may decide to use it arbitrarily as and when they feel like it.

So it’s a no from me. As others have already said, its Big Brother.
 
that bloke in Newcastle who has been charged with sex attacks from the 1980s from dna gained from a recent neighbours dispute... why don’t they make it compulsory to take everyone’s dna sample once age 18 ? Would solve loads of cases surely ?
This is why Americans claim the right to bear arms.
 
No reason not to do it imo, only wrong'uns would worry about having dna on record wouldn't they ?
Or people with as yet undiagnosed illnesses that once their dna has been sold to life insurance companies can’t get medical insurance or life insurance. Imagine this happening to you or a family member once the tories have sold the nhs off? No coming on here whinging about having to sell off your house. And car. And cd collection. And clothes. And everything else to pay for treatment.
 
It amazes me how many people would blindly trust the state, the police and other agencies to take your DNA.

Mistakes happen, imagine someone being under pressure to finish up an investigation and you have a very good reason not to hand over your own personal barcode.

It's good to assume the best of people but not in this case.
 
It’s a no from me.

The data cannot be guaranteed to be secure, but more importantly it will be held at the behest of politicians who can’t even be trusted to fill in an expense claim.
In addition, once the database is there we have to trust every possible FUTURE government too. A Trump style government, a Corbyn government, a Rees Mogg government, a Farage government, a back in the EU Junker government. 50 years time in a Fascist state that we’ve mistakenly blundered into that needs to sort its citizens into groups to decide who should go and fight on the front line against the East Asian Superstate Army.

Anything you can imagine. Once it’s there it doesn’t go away.
 
Very much so.

You’d have to be assured that the state was a benevolent force to submit that information for permanent record.

It could be used for good, imagine how many criminals would be found and brought to justice.

I doubt it though.
Not just the state. Since the Tories privatised the Forensic Science Service I wouldn't trust a company with that kind of power.
 
In addition, once the database is there we have to trust every possible FUTURE government too. A Trump style government, a Corbyn government, a Rees Mogg government, a Farage government, a back in the EU Junker government. 50 years time in a Fascist state that we’ve mistakenly blundered into that needs to sort its citizens into groups to decide who should go and fight on the front line against the East Asian Superstate Army.

Anything you can imagine. Once it’s there it doesn’t go away.
Sod that man I’d be on the terraces chanting their name

East Asian Superstate Army
East Asian Superstate Army

To the “tune” of XYZ’s Red & White Army.
 
Police officers do give their dna. There are millions of people's DNA held in file in this country and have done for years.
I know man, I reckon most people have been 'done' without realising tbh, not that we will ever find out for sure of course, unless you act yersel....
 
@Lankester Merrin has some significant doubts over the govt's ability to manage databases iirc

Let me give you 2 real life cases I was involved in which illustrate 2 of the problems.

1. The CSA have a huge database of children and families, part of a software system that they use to manage child maintenance liabilities and payments. The system has so many problems that there large numbers of cases which can't be managed using the Government's own software. They are managed manually using paper records in an outsourced BPO centre near the M6. The government spends over £30m a year on this.

What's more impressive is that the outsourced chaps with the pens and paper have a better collection rate than the civil servants with the software.

2. A woman who was recently divorced had taken a fancy to the local Butcher. Her best mate was the Nurse at the local GP practice. She looked up the Butchers' medical records, discovered that he had had the clap loads of times and passed the information onto her mate
 
Let me give you 2 real life cases I was involved in which illustrate 2 of the problems.

1. The CSA have a huge database of children and families, part of a software system that they use to manage child maintenance liabilities and payments. The system has so many problems that there large numbers of cases which can't be managed using the Government's own software. They are managed manually using paper records in an outsourced BPO centre near the M6. The government spends over £30m a year on this.

What's more impressive is that the outsourced chaps with the pens and paper have a better collection rate than the civil servants with the software.
They are probably incentivised on it where the civil servants know they’ll get paid regardless just by turning up or phoning in sick.
 

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