The Super spoilery Star Wars : The Last Jedi spoilers thread *don't even put your mouse over it*

If you love the films, that is great for you, I am glad that someone got something out of them. But they are terrible. I can enjoy a lot of terrible films too. I can sit through the Toho Godzilla and Mothra films and enjoy them, and they are awful, awful films. I can enjoy some of the later talkie Buster Keaton films where he is sometimes visibly drunk on the set. I find something to enjoy in them. I watch the worst of the Carry On films over and over again. I usually find something in the editing, or the cinematography or the music or something that is entertaining or interest. It is quite something for me to find absolutely nothing redeeming in a film. Pretty much the only thing I thought was not bad was Adrian Edmundson's performance.

Even though I thought the plot for 'The Force Awakens' was weak, there were a lot of threads set up in that film that were either completely ignored or just cut dead in 'The Last Jedi'. You would have thought that after they killed off Darth Maul about three films before his time they might have realised keeping Snoke around, or maybe developing and giving some substance to the threads they started about him in the earlier films before they killed him, might have made sense.

There is a girl on Youtube named Jenny Nicholson who made a video a few month before the film came out where she took some piss takey guesses at big reveals in 'The Last Jedi'. Keeping in mind that she really want just taking the piss, but doing in the way that Star Wars fans have expected to be let down, she actually got a few things completely right. One of her guesses was that Snoke was not going to be a giant after all, but that he would not be normal sized, they would make him about seven foot tall. She also predicted that there would be "an evil BB8, because it would make a good toy". And they did make an evil BB8, but they cut it from the film, but they did make the toy. She made a load more predictions right before the film came out, and got a lot right:

They should hire her to be a script doctor on the next film. She has some good ideas (like Rey making a lightsabre out of scrap - there's an aspect of Rey that was completely dropped from this film, she is not a scavenger in the slightest in 'The Last Jedi').

I haven't defended it, I said it was a bit shit.
 


It is unmistakable that 'The Last Jedi' is overtly in service of political dogma of the SJW variety. They even shoehorned a whole sequence in that does absolutely nothing for the story where they go to a gambling planet where we discover that capitalism is evil, where animals and small children are mistreated (because rich people are evil) and where they literally set all of the animals free. They had Luke Skywalker practically sucking milk straight from the teat of the thing from the interlude of Monty Python's 'The Meaning of Life', deliberately trying to make it as gross as possible to push a very narrow vegan/animal rights agenda.

Every man was written to be pathetic or useless, every woman is written like she is infallible, and it is not a freshly trodden path because EXACTLY the same thing has happened in Marvel's comics some time ago. As a result the circulations started to plummet, just like the income from Star Wars is starting to plummet, and they are actually starting to cancel titles. I mean, just look at the whole plot with Poe basically being turned into a bumbling idiot and that idiotic purple haired character that made no sense being used to slap him down for absolutely no reason. There was no swashbuckling in that film. There was no 'all for one and one for all'. It was a post-modernist pile of crap, where they took everything anybody likes about the films and said "no you can't have that, we are post-modern, we tear up all structures and we have to make everything miserable and ugly and disappointing, and shit over everything you like then you have to endure our shitty anti-quality tripe fest"

I think that the film is going to be part of an important tool of social change. Like I said to you earlier in the thread, some of the strongest negative reactions to the film are from people that regard themselves as feminists. You only look have to at the number of women on Youtube that completely hate it to see that something is going on here. There are a lot of people that were letting the SJW bollocks wash over them, but now they are saying "Hang on a minute, you fucked with Star Wars. No no no, you don't that. Get back in your f***ing box." A lot of the people that like the film seem to very much like it because it reinforces an SJW outlook, which is great for people such as yourself that obviously gravitate to that sort of thinking. But on the positive side, it is motivating a lot of people who can see that the film is a pile of shit to say "ok, that is enough, I don't want this kind of thinking forced on me, and I don't want it to be infecting any area of my life, or come to think of it, my children's education."

It is interesting that the Chinese have laughed the film out of the cinemas, and that many of the reviews over there have claimed it to be a piece of propaganda for a very particular narrow political outlook.



I am not a 'Trumpoloid activist' and when was Disney ever run by a Nazi? Or are we talking about the SJW definition of a Nazi, which seems to mean anyone that believes in the importance of freedom of good natured debate? I am quite a well studied historian of the animation industry and quite highly critical of the conduct Disney from the 1990's onwards (including being involved with the project to restore for archive otherwise lost elements from one masterpiece production Disney had a hand in killing), so you are going to have to come up with some actual facts to support that claim. It seems like some people saw a joke on 'The Simpsons' and decided it must be true. The closest I have seen to any association is Art Babbit claiming that Disney attended some meetings of the German American Bund, but that is not evidence of anything. I've attended all sorts of meetings, because I want to know what the deal is with them. Remember, people did not know what Nazism was until after we knew what it was. Chaplin lamented one of his most highly rated films 'The Great Dictator' because he had no idea how bad things were at the time of production, and he felt his film fell a long way short of giving any idea of what the regime was doing. Even the likes of Fritz Lang who left in a hurry after getting close to a few key people in the regime, and whose wife remarried into the regime, had no idea how bad it was, and he was there when they came to power and was approached by Goebbels first hand to make films for the state.

Walt Disney was never on record as doing anything remotely in support of the Nazi regime, and his philosophies seemed to be in direct conflict with the key features of Nazism. Disney were active in producing animation to support the American war effort ('Education for Death' and Donald Duck's 'Der Fuehrer's Face' being notable examples) and made something approaching 65 odd hours of film for war departments at cost price.
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I suspect it will end up being some sort of early days of the Jedi thing, 'Game of Thrones in Space'. But I would think that there will probably be no bumming or any sort of shagging of any kind.
Why would there be. Its a kids film.

Why do you really want to see shagging in a star wars film?

If you love the films, that is great for you, I am glad that someone got something out of them. But they are terrible. I can enjoy a lot of terrible films too. I can sit through the Toho Godzilla and Mothra films and enjoy them, and they are awful, awful films. I can enjoy some of the later talkie Buster Keaton films where he is sometimes visibly drunk on the set. I find something to enjoy in them. I watch the worst of the Carry On films over and over again. I usually find something in the editing, or the cinematography or the music or something that is entertaining or interest. It is quite something for me to find absolutely nothing redeeming in a film. Pretty much the only thing I thought was not bad was Adrian Edmundson's performance.

Even though I thought the plot for 'The Force Awakens' was weak, there were a lot of threads set up in that film that were either completely ignored or just cut dead in 'The Last Jedi'. You would have thought that after they killed off Darth Maul about three films before his time they might have realised keeping Snoke around, or maybe developing and giving some substance to the threads they started about him in the earlier films before they killed him, might have made sense.

There is a girl on Youtube named Jenny Nicholson who made a video a few month before the film came out where she took some piss takey guesses at big reveals in 'The Last Jedi'. Keeping in mind that she really want just taking the piss, but doing in the way that Star Wars fans have expected to be let down, she actually got a few things completely right. One of her guesses was that Snoke was not going to be a giant after all, but that he would not be normal sized, they would make him about seven foot tall. She also predicted that there would be "an evil BB8, because it would make a good toy". And they did make an evil BB8, but they cut it from the film, but they did make the toy. She made a load more predictions right before the film came out, and got a lot right:

They should hire her to be a script doctor on the next film. She has some good ideas (like Rey making a lightsabre out of scrap - there's an aspect of Rey that was completely dropped from this film, she is not a scavenger in the slightest in 'The Last Jedi').
I've really enjoyed the Disney star wars films so far. They've done a decent job.
 
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Why would there be. Its a kids film.

Why do you really want to see shagging in a star wars film?

I don't want to see it. I was just saying that I thought it would be a Game Of Thrones Star Wars, without the sex.

I would not have minded have a scene in 'The Last Jedi' where Poe walks in on Admiral Purple Hair munching off Princess Leia though. It would have meant there was at least one interesting thing in the film.
 
What if "Streetsolo" was a Disney writer and he/she put this out to gauge fans reactions?

Isn't that a bit of a stretch given that the 'writer' was supposedly Rian Johnson, and given the effort they put into keeping every plot point secret, and that 'Streetsolo' had quite a long standing reputation in fan fiction circles? I could accept the possibility that they saw the plot, liked it and paid the author for the usage without giving credit. My suspicion is that the reality is that Rian Johnson is an absolute chancer, he did not have a clue what to do, and rather than do the decent thing and refuse the writing role and just direct the thing, he started pilfering other's ideas. It is amazing how many people get away with blatant plagiarism, even after it has been pointed out for what it is.
 
Star Wars is a teduious formula now. The ending will be a minor cliff hanger designed to pull punters into the cinema come the next tired installment.
 
Yeah but female Ghostbusters, wah wah wah

You are the one trying to push the idea that the massive criticism directed at the film on sites like Rotten Tomatoes is an 'alt-right conspiracy'. Like I said earlier in the thread, you have done nothing to justify that, and you can not explain how still, every single day there is an continuing flow of extremely negative reviews, many of which make little references to any political dogma.

I think the insane positive reviews that can from the Press and mainstream media was another stepping stone to towards the old media eating itself. I think people such as yourself underestimate the huge number of people that are simply losing faith in it. You keep bringing up the Ghostbusters thing. It is not like the Ghostbusters being female was the cause for the problem. The reason there was a problem was twofold:

1, Because there was a perception that there was an arbitrary decision to replace men with women in the film when the majority of the fans were desperate to see the original characters again.

2, Because the film was absolutely shockingly bad, something that the trailer could not even cover up and which was absolutely obvious it was going to be when you saw the trailer.

Are you arguing that the Ghostbusters reboot was a good film that was only dismissed because it had a female cast? Because it was an utterly shit film. Staggeringly shit. It was not even good as a chick flick. I think that 'Bridesmaids' is passable as a chick flick, but it is Citizen Kane compared to 'Ghostbusters'. There were plenty of women ready testify to how bad it was:
 

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