Has 'Chris Coleman' done a good job overall so far?

Put it this way - if we go down and the players look like they at least tried then I'd have no issue keeping Coleman (if he would stay).

He's as good as we can realistically expect.

Probably 8/10 so far for me.
 


What a load of nonsense.

If we don't perform and get results soon we'll be down.

We need to start putting a decent run results together soon.

If we get relegated I dont expect you'll be happy and post about context then will you?
I’m sure people still think we have about 30 games left and plenty of time to sort it out. If we don’t pick up points soon we are going to need Championship winning form to get out of it. CC has had more than enough time to sort it out and start producing some consistency. I realise the players are not very good but he knew what he was getting into. A win percentage of 26% isn’t enough at the moment.
 
Rate 'Coleman' out of 10.
7 for me.

He has brought down the average age of the team substantially, never afraid to give youth a chance. If 'Coleman' can get this lot to adapt to the league we will have a very exciting team in a year or two because they should improve being so young. Under the previous manager we'd have brought in some old carthorses from League One for buttons.
Undoubtedly going about things the right way under his leadership.
I like the clever use of inverted commas implying that we don't have the real Chris Coleman in charge, just someone calling himself 'Chris Coleman'. I call myself 'Colin Todd' sometimes.
 
Surely results are a more important indicator of performance than how he sounds in a press conference though! His job is literally to try and improve results, that's why he's here. Yes you have to consider the constraints he's working under, so you can look at his results in that light and make allowances. Hence why I think he's done an okay job, results have been better than under Grayson. I don't give a fuck if he's the most intelligent sounding, most entertaining press conference giver in the history of the sport, if results aren't good enough it'll mean absolutely nothing. So far results are improving a bit but there's a lot of questions still to answer and we still look a very soft touch on occasions, such as in Birmingham and Bristol (first half especially). Improving that will make him more successful, not coming up with ever more entertaining press conferences!

There are a number of good reasons why results are a poor indicator of his performance as manager.

If you're not in training with him and the players, how can you tell if he made the right decisions with his team selection and choice of formation?

There's no way of knowing whether we would have won or lost any particular match with someone else in charge.

His press conferences when taken in conjunction with the interviews with the players are good indicators of his man management skills. It is unlikely that he'd be good at giving interviews and teaching his players to give interviews as though they had team spirit and desire if he wasn't good at instilling genuine team spirit and desire in those players.
 
There are a number of good reasons why results are a poor indicator of his performance as manager.

If you're not in training with him and the players, how can you tell if he made the right decisions with his team selection and choice of formation?

There's no way of knowing whether we would have won or lost any particular match with someone else in charge.

His press conferences when taken in conjunction with the interviews with the players are good indicators of his man management skills. It is unlikely that he'd be good at giving interviews and teaching his players to give interviews as though they had team spirit and desire if he wasn't good at instilling genuine team spirit and desire in those players.

I think you are vastly overstating the importance of a press conference mind, if he doesn't get good results it' absolutely worthless. By saying that you can't judge on results you're pretty much saying that no fan should ever want a manager to leave (or stay) based on how their club is performing, and should judge them purely on how they come across to the media. Do you not realise how utterly mental that sounds?
 
I think you are vastly overstating the importance of a press conference mind, if he doesn't get good results it' absolutely worthless. By saying that you can't judge on results you're pretty much saying that no fan should ever want a manager to leave (or stay) based on how their club is performing, and should judge them purely on how they come across to the media. Do you not realise how utterly mental that sounds?

Only if the manager is working with an inherited squad as weak as ours and no money to spend like Coleman is.

If he had been given backing to sign any and all players he wanted (within reason) and each week was playing the players and tactics of his choosing then I'd agree with you, but he's just trying to find a way of using the poor squad we've got and trying to bring in players on a ludicrously limited budget for the division we're in, so I don't see how judging him on points gained is fair.

With the restrictions he's working under, I can't see how anyone out there could be doing better than he is but to say that or the opposite is pure speculation. Nobody knows how we could have been doing with someone else in charge, so we have nothing to compare his points haul with.

What we do know is that the mood has changed in the dressing room to one of hope and optimism, and it's starting to catch on in the fan base too.

That's where it had to start, getting out of the rut we were in, so in my opinion, full marks to him so far.
 
Results are contextual.

In the context that our already-shit team of last season had been decimated and replaced with worse before CC got here, we had been losing horrifically almost every week before he got here, and he's had practically no money to spend, our results since his arrival have been pretty bloody good in my opinion.

That aside, results are the last thing we should try to judge him on for so many reasons. Not least of which is, as stated in my previous post, you can sometimes do everything right and still lose.
Wtf? Results are the MAIN reason a manager should be judged, couldn't give a flying fuck if he's canny in press conferences ffs and his tactics in the main have been crap.
10/10? Jesus wept.
 
I see a lot of people on this thread talking about Coleman "making mistakes" and "getting it wrong" with regard to lineups and formations but unless you're with him and the players in training every day I don't know how you can make such judgements.

After all, sometimes you can do everything right and still lose. Getting it right does not mean you have an automatic right to a win on the day.

All we see is 90 minutes or so on a match day. In my opinion that's not enough to judge whether or not a formation is the best one to use with the available players, or whether or not a certain player should be starting.

Similarly, it's hard to judge Coleman's ability in the transfer market from just the players we see coming through the door as we don't see all the ones he targeted that said no or who didn't come across well in interviews.

So, upon which criteria can fans reasonably judge managers? In my opinion, only really press conferences and the attitudes of the players in their interviews.

Coleman says all the right things for me and there seems to have been a paradigm shift in the attitudes of the players in interviews. There seems to be a lot of positivity and team unity coming from players, which indicate to me that behind closed doors he's doing a hell of a job.

He's filling me with confidence so far. I think it's great that we have a manager who is clearly a very intelligent bloke and having a positive influence in the dressing room.

As such, and for all the reasons above, Coleman gets a solid 10/10 for me so far for those few things upon which I believe he should be judged.
You don't half talk some absolute dribbling shite mind. :lol:

10/10 for fucks sake. You have to be on a windup. Or you're boffing too many bongs.
 
Would be interesting to see what scores some of those giving 8s 9s and 10s, would give to Grayson for not too dissimilar results and arguably better performances.
 
I'd like too see Coleman given a level playing field before people make up their minds. Grayson and the previous incumbents have now gone so thats history. What matters is that Coleman stays, is allowed to sort this mess out and then judge the lad. The lad is right in amongst it now and he should be allowed too see it through and hopefully reap the rewards at the end.

This must be killing him.
 
I'd like too see Coleman given a level playing field before people make up their minds. Grayson and the previous incumbents have now gone so thats history. What matters is that Coleman stays, is allowed to sort this mess out and then judge the lad. The lad is right in amongst it now and he should be allowed too see it through and hopefully reap the rewards at the end.

This must be killing him.
Answer the question.Has he?
 
He's done ok. I wasn't expecting miracles but he's come in to take over a team that appears destined for the drop and we're now looking like a team every his as much destined to drop. Anymore than a 5 is very generous.
The loss of Grabban was a blow but I'm not sure what he's improved either.
 

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