Shithole Countries
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errant
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He denies the comment in regards Haiti, but there is no denial with regards the African states...
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Firstly, how on earth did race get brought up into this? If he'd made the same comments about Moldova would it be seen as racist? I'd bet anything that the people screaming "racist" about this are far more obsessed with race than President Trump is.
Secondly, is he wrong? Haiti, El Salvador and many places in Africa are (on the whole)...shitholes. Sorry if that offend anybody but it's true isn't it?
Thirdly, does the United States need more Haitian immigrants? I'd suggest not. Placing facts over feelings (a novel concept these days, I know)...has the President actually said anything wrong here?
Finally, this just another example of hypernormalisation IMO - we live in a fake world with fake language, fake statements by our leaders, fake things we're supposed to pretend to care about, fake apologies etc. People have become conditioned to believe that this fakeness is normal and required to make society function properly but it's all fake. That's why when President Trump (a man with no experience in politics and no interest in sounding like what a politician is "supposed" to sound like) says something "real" like this, it's like a glitch in the Matrix..."But...but...Presidents aren't supposed to say stuff like this!" Says who? You'd rather some empty suit like Obama reads off a teleprompter and tells us all how wonderful, vibrant and enriched Haiti is? We all know that's bullshit/fake. The person saying it know it's bullshit and he knows that we know it's bullshit...yet that seems to satisfy everybody. That's exactly what hypernormalisation is and it's not good. Give me honesty and direct language every time, especially from our leaders. Note; the term "shithole" - two syllables, harsh, vulgar, doesn't dress anything up, real. The term "developing country" - 6 syllables, softer, politically correct, more or less a synonym for "shithole", fake.
There's a lot of people out there who genuinely can't handle "realness" these days and go mental when stuff like this get said. There are some who don't really care but feel like they have to pretend to care because they're on a certain "team" and they're supposed to react in a certain way - virtue signalling, faux outrage etc. There are some who secretly like and agree with "shithole" comments and stuff like that but pretend not to so as not to face the wrath of the people in the previous two groups (who tend to dominate the media and social media, two vital tools in shaping public opinion and suppressing thought) - some real 1984 shit. And there are others like me who f***ing love realness and seek it out wherever I can (this isn't just a right-wing thing, I respect the likes of Corbyn (who I disagree with on many issues) for at least sticking to his guns). Give me the truth, warts and all, that's all I ask for - especially from our "leaders". Interestingly, the recent victories for Brexit and Trump would suggest that there are slightly more people in the latter two groups (nobody is watching you in a polling booth) and yet, as stated, the former two groups get more play in the media and social media - this rebellion against the media is why President Trump lashes out against CNN etc every chance he gets, he knows there's a silent majority that will side with him and his "realness" over the "fakeness" of the media. Interesting subject IMO.
Secondly, is he wrong? Haiti, El Salvador and many places in Africa are (on the whole)...shitholes. Sorry if that offend anybody but it's true isn't it?
Thirdly, does the United States need more Haitian immigrants? I'd suggest not. Placing facts over feelings (a novel concept these days, I know)...has the President actually said anything wrong here?
Finally, this just another example of hypernormalisation IMO - we live in a fake world with fake language, fake statements by our leaders, fake things we're supposed to pretend to care about, fake apologies etc. People have become conditioned to believe that this fakeness is normal and required to make society function properly but it's all fake. That's why when President Trump (a man with no experience in politics and no interest in sounding like what a politician is "supposed" to sound like) says something "real" like this, it's like a glitch in the Matrix..."But...but...Presidents aren't supposed to say stuff like this!" Says who? You'd rather some empty suit like Obama reads off a teleprompter and tells us all how wonderful, vibrant and enriched Haiti is? We all know that's bullshit/fake. The person saying it know it's bullshit and he knows that we know it's bullshit...yet that seems to satisfy everybody. That's exactly what hypernormalisation is and it's not good. Give me honesty and direct language every time, especially from our leaders. Note; the term "shithole" - two syllables, harsh, vulgar, doesn't dress anything up, real. The term "developing country" - 6 syllables, softer, politically correct, more or less a synonym for "shithole", fake.
There's a lot of people out there who genuinely can't handle "realness" these days and go mental when stuff like this get said. There are some who don't really care but feel like they have to pretend to care because they're on a certain "team" and they're supposed to react in a certain way - virtue signalling, faux outrage etc. There are some who secretly like and agree with "shithole" comments and stuff like that but pretend not to so as not to face the wrath of the people in the previous two groups (who tend to dominate the media and social media, two vital tools in shaping public opinion and suppressing thought) - some real 1984 shit. And there are others like me who f***ing love realness and seek it out wherever I can (this isn't just a right-wing thing, I respect the likes of Corbyn (who I disagree with on many issues) for at least sticking to his guns). Give me the truth, warts and all, that's all I ask for - especially from our "leaders". Interestingly, the recent victories for Brexit and Trump would suggest that there are slightly more people in the latter two groups (nobody is watching you in a polling booth) and yet, as stated, the former two groups get more play in the media and social media - this rebellion against the media is why President Trump lashes out against CNN etc every chance he gets, he knows there's a silent majority that will side with him and his "realness" over the "fakeness" of the media. Interesting subject IMO.
errant
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Ramshanker
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The slightly bigger issue might be the Somalian people who aren't gangsters, but don't get a mention in a discussion about immigration because the principal characteristic of Somalians, the thing that springs to mind, is gangs of them terrorising our cities with knives
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My initial reply was in response to the topic of gangs though, and what I've seen in the areas I've lived. There's been particular problems with stabbings, knife point robberies and burglaries from Somalians... and the fuckers next door stopped our recycling bin gettint emptied by hoying all their Christmas rubbish in once everyone had gone to work
Behind Enemy Lines
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What's he said that's wrong in your opinion?
You're right to a point but he's the president. It's unbecoming of the office the POTUS holds to be so derogatory.
I think the following quote from George Washington is much more becoming of the office of POTUS:
"I had always hoped that this land might become a safe & agreeable Asylum to the virtuous & persecuted part of mankind, to whatever nation they might belong..."
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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Unbelievable folk are branding him racist for it. Laughable fake outrage idiots
I think that comes from Senator Durbin's comment, that Trump used 'racist' language.
It isn't racist to say a particular country is a shithole, but it is racist to use racist language in such a way.
Regardless of that, should a politician, arguably the most powerful man on the planet, be describing other countries as shitholes?
Behind Enemy Lines
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You've been conditioned to expect the POTUS to act and speak in a certain way - that doesn't mean there is only one "correct" way for a President to act and speak. The early political leaders of the US were not teleprompter-reading empty suits who always used cordial and politically correct language, they were often blunt, harsh and pulled no punches. Thomas Jefferson on his opponet John Adams: “a hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, not the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.” Imagine Trump saying that now?
So what was the racist comment?
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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It's up to him but it's laughable folk are branding him a racist for it
bernardbresslaw
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Hull's a great city, totally get your point.
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CNN have officially lost their minds btw:
I mean, what the fuck is that?
I mean, what the fuck is that?
The racism thing is a side issue. He's basically saying that any country that has poverty is a shithole. For the self styled greatest human being ever, he's being a bit of a twat there!
