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Alistair Cook: An apology

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smoker said:
Grow up. Cook himself admitted his form was shit and he was one game away from being dropped. It would have been nice if he and Broad had motivated themselves for team reasons, when there was a chance of retaining the Ashes.
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That's bollocks like. If you've ever watched England live you'd know there's never two more whole-hearted players than Cook & Broad. Vast majority of players dip in and out form, just unlucky for England that it was at the beginning of the Ashes for these two. Neither was helped by the atrocious warm up games that were arranged either.
 

the dark one said:
Too little too late im afraid. Same goes with Broad. Hes still got the talent and hopefully the desire.
The fact that the pressure is off so they go out and perform boils my piss more than if they wernt good enough.
It speaks volumes of their characters unfortunately.
Chokers.
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Too late yes but I'm not sure how 244 not out is too little.
Unless you're just blindly spouting a cliche.
 
smoker said:
Grow up. Cook himself admitted his form was shit and he was one game away from being dropped. It would have been nice if he and Broad had motivated themselves for team reasons, when there was a chance of retaining the Ashes.
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Given how much time Cook is reported to have spent in the nets on the entire tour, that is nonsense
 
smoker said:
Suggesting Cook and Broad, players with immaculate international pedigree, are only doing well because of benign conditions is a lot more f***ing absurd. Also self contradictory given the pitch is hardly likely to favour both at any one time.

What is common here is both were basically a game away from being dropped and this motivated them to work with coaches to up their game.

*Insert twatty emoticons.*
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chunkylover53 said:
Given how much time Cook is reported to have spent in the nets on the entire tour, that is nonsense
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Its utter nonsense. In fact is something only someone with a grudge (like KP for example) would come up with and thickies would embrace. If the incentive for Broad and Cook wanted to perform was to save their skins then they were better off doing that in the 3 games that mattered.
 
rentaghost said:
Its utter nonsense. In fact is something only someone with a grudge (like KP for example) would come up with and thickies would embrace. If the incentive for Broad and Cook wanted to perform was to save their skins then they were better off doing that in the 3 games that mattered.
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People just over think things they go easy to perform now we have been beaten it's not like they haven't been trying they were simply out of form
 
rentaghost said:
Its utter nonsense. In fact is something only someone with a grudge (like KP for example) would come up with and thickies would embrace. If the incentive for Broad and Cook wanted to perform was to save their skins then they were better off doing that in the 3 games that mattered.
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It's not that they wernt putting the effort in or were they good enough.
My point is this team, led by highly experienced players, choke far to often, not by a lack of talent but by a lack of fight.pressure off, and by magic they do a bit.
 
the dark one said:
Agreed,but England's surrender down under irks me big time.aussies arnt the team they were, we should be better than this.we are far better than the first three tests suggest, dont you agree?...That to me is a lack of balls not talent
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It’s a game of fine margins at times. We are better than what we have showed, but underperformance doesn’t mean lack of balls
 
chunkylover53 said:
It’s a game of fine margins at times. We are better than what we have showed, but underperformance doesn’t mean lack of balls
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Not having that mate. 3 tests of shite .then pressure off, we make a game of it. We have the talent.We lack characters imo.it ain't lack of form, it's personality. Ben Stokes would have helped with that side of it.
 
TheRey said:
Fuck me. :lol::lol:
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Isn't there a point there though? All they've fundamentally got that we haven't is a good spinner. They were never going to keep their quicks fit for a whole series, and we've had conditions suitable for our seamers from time to time.

If we'd still had Swann, on paper it would look fairly even IMHO. Arguably tilted our way if it wasn't for the Stokes nonsense.
 
Billy Rocket said:
Isn't there a point there though? All they've fundamentally got that we haven't is a good spinner. They were never going to keep their quicks fit for a whole series, and we've had conditions suitable for our seamers from time to time.

If we'd still had Swann, on paper it would look fairly even IMHO. Arguably tilted our way if it wasn't for the Stokes nonsense.
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English bowlers cannot take twenty wickets when the ball isn't misbehaving the way it does in England. We all know this, it's nothing new.

IMO, to expect England, minus our only bowler who is really suited to their pitches, to go out to Australia and match them is asking a ridiculous amount.
 
TheRey said:
English bowlers cannot take twenty wickets when the ball isn't misbehaving the way it does in England. We all know this, it's nothing new.

IMO, to expect England, minus our only bowler who is really suited to their pitches, to go out to Australia and match them is asking a ridiculous amount.
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Brisbane and Perth as you'd expect. Adelaide and Melbourne we were competitive, including skittling them for 130 odd. That doesn't suggest a chasm.
 
Billy Rocket said:
Isn't there a point there though? All they've fundamentally got that we haven't is a good spinner. They were never going to keep their quicks fit for a whole series, and we've had conditions suitable for our seamers from time to time.

If we'd still had Swann, on paper it would look fairly even IMHO. Arguably tilted our way if it wasn't for the Stokes nonsense.
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Heard an Aussie compare Ali and Embrury as a spinner and unfavourably too. Look at the stats, Ali is one of the better ones. He's not a Swann but Swann was really good. Ali is good, but having a bad run.
 
Bri said:
Heard an Aussie compare Ali and Embrury as a spinner and unfavourably too. Look at the stats, Ali is one of the better ones. He's not a Swann but Swann was really good. Ali is good, but having a bad run.
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He isn't that good his record is average
 
chopsfc007 said:
He isn't that good his record is average
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If you consider any spinner of the Embrurey class good, then he's good. Not as good as Swann nor Monty ....

as an allrounder his stats are comparable to Stokes and as a bowler his strike rate too.
 
Bri said:
If you consider any spinner of the Embrurey class good, then he's good. Not as good as Swann nor Monty ....

as an allrounder his stats are comparable to Stokes and as a bowler his strike rate too.
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Doesn't he average about 40 with the ball
 
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